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kimba1

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Re: How do you fear something currently not possible?
« Reply #75 on: February 12, 2011, 02:49:48 AM »
wrong line of thought

because people believe vegetables are uber healthy is the reason thier getting eaten unwashed. this is not a contest it`s a matter of getting people to not eat dirty food.

yes people should eat a moderate amount of meat,but they should also eat the right kinds of vegetables. a pure lettuce diet is not gonna be good also.

I`m pretty sure food sanitation had a significant positive impact to humanity.

to quote typhoid mary-I have never washed my hands and never needed to.

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Re: How do you fear something currently not possible?
« Reply #76 on: February 12, 2011, 03:01:06 AM »
about ami`s link

most likely all the people eat the organs,meaning getting the maximum amount of nutrients.

I`m not familiar with all american cuisines ,but I`m pretty thiers not many recipes organ meat.
last I week did eat a turnip dish which had organ meat,pretty tasty

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Re: How do you fear something currently not possible?
« Reply #77 on: February 12, 2011, 03:43:51 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichinosis


Don't eat bear raw , not even Polar bear the risk is severe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapeworm_infection

Raw fish can give you tapeworm , but the risk is not severe.

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Re: How do you fear something currently not possible?
« Reply #78 on: February 12, 2011, 08:29:02 AM »
Is it really "raw" like the meat a lion rips from a zebra
or is it "prepared" so a human system can accept it?

Spices added for flavor. Why don't you try some of the dishes?

Still waiting for you to show where eating raw meat will make you "sick and die".
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Re: How do you fear something currently not possible?
« Reply #79 on: February 12, 2011, 09:35:41 AM »
places to eat raw beef

italian restaurant- carpacio-raw slice of beef with olive oil

ethiopian- has a dish with raw beef in it

that`s all i know on this subject

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Re: How do you fear something currently not possible?
« Reply #80 on: February 12, 2011, 12:18:50 PM »
I imagine that many recipes involving raw meat could be found online with a simple search.
 Probably not too many involving raw bear, or raw rat, but certainly raw beef and maybe even raw pork.
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Re: How do you fear something currently not possible?
« Reply #81 on: February 12, 2011, 03:17:02 PM »
Still waiting for you to show where eating raw meat will make you "sick and die".

First I never said that.
The quote I used, which were not my words (that's why they are in italics),
said/implied eating raw meat the way carnivores like lions do can "make you sick and die".
Clearly eating undercooked meat has made people very sick and some have died.
In my mind that is not debate-able.
The point of the quote I used is clearly that unlike lions and alligators the human system
is not as well equipped to eat raw unprepared uncooked meat. Thats why most consumed
meat in the world is cooked or cured or prepared in some way....you seem to think the
primary reason is just taste....I disgree and think meat is cooked/cured/prepared for taste and safety.

So you keep waiting all you want....but because you don't like my answers doesn't mean I didn't answer.
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Re: How do you fear something currently not possible?
« Reply #82 on: February 12, 2011, 08:43:47 PM »
First I never said that.
The quote I used, which were not my words (that's why they are in italics),
said/implied eating raw meat the way carnivores like lions do can "make you sick and die".

Quotes are either offset (like the above) or within quotation marks (" "). Why would I assume that italics imply a quote, especially since you give no attribution to the quote?

Clearly eating undercooked meat has made people very sick and some have died.
In my mind that is not debate-able.

Eating *tainted* meat has made people "very sick and some have died" - just like it would make your hypothetical lion sick and possibly die. Most cooking or curing methods started out as a way of preserving meat for storage or travel. Fresh meat needs no preparation to eat. I know of absolutely no cases of someone eating fresh meat (like a lion would eat) and then getting sick and / or dying. Perhaps you can supply an example or two?

The point of the quote I used is clearly that unlike lions and alligators the human system
is not as well equipped to eat raw unprepared uncooked meat.

Some examples would be nice. Have you ever eaten beef jerky? Do you know that it is uncooked? It's only spiced and dried.

"Any particular preparation or recipe for jerky typically uses only one type of meat. Around the world, meat from domestic and wild animals are used to make jerky. Meats from domestic animals include beef, pork, goat and mutton or lamb. Wild animals including deer, elk, caribou, kudu, springbok, kangaroo, bison and moose are also used. Recently, other animals such as turkey, ostrich, salmon, alligator, tuna, emu and horse are also used.

"The meat must be dried quickly, to limit bacterial growth during the critical period where the meat is not yet dry. To do this, the meat is thinly sliced, or pressed thinly, in the case of ground meat. The strips of meat are dried at low temperatures, to avoid cooking it, or overdrying it to the point where it is brittle."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerky_%28food%29#Preparation

Have you ever eaten a bagel with lox on it? The salmon in lox is uncooked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lox

In Austria, bacon and some sausages are eaten raw, rather than cooked.

"Austrian cuisine has many different sausages, like "Frankfurter", "Debreziner" (named after Debrecen in Hungary), or "Burnwurst", "Blunzn" made out of pig-blood and "Gr?ne W?rstl" - green sausages. Green means raw in this context ? the sausages are air dried and are consumed boiled. Bacon in Austria is called "Speck", bacon can be smoked, raw, salted, spiced etc. Bacon is used in many traditional recipes as a salty spice. Vanillerostbraten is a beef dish prepared with lots of garlic."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_cuisine#Meat

BTW, alligators generally do not eat fresh meat; they kill their prey and then hide them, waiting a few weeks for bacteria to break down the meat before coming back to eat. They're more likely to do this with larger prey, because the rotting makes it easier to tear up the flesh (they do not have incisors for cutting flesh).
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Re: How do you fear something currently not possible?
« Reply #83 on: February 12, 2011, 09:41:08 PM »
Yum, went to Applebee's for dinner, ordered my steak rare. It was raw inside, just like a rare is supposed to be:
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Re: How do you fear something currently not possible?
« Reply #84 on: February 13, 2011, 12:11:49 AM »
Yum, went to Applebee's for dinner, ordered my steak rare.

You wussie...why didnt you order uncoooked!?
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Re: How do you fear something currently not possible?
« Reply #85 on: February 13, 2011, 12:14:14 AM »
Why would I assume that italics imply a quote, especially since you give no attribution to the quote?

http://www.cameronmoll.com/archives/2008/06/faq_when_to_use_italics/
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Re: How do you fear something currently not possible?
« Reply #86 on: February 13, 2011, 12:21:04 AM »
- just like it would make your hypothetical lion sick and possibly die.

I doubt it!...Lions are carnivores!

We need to close McDonalds and just make it like this!

Yeah sure...we be the same!

Serengeti Tanzania Lions Killing a Zebra
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Re: How do you fear something currently not possible?
« Reply #87 on: February 13, 2011, 03:46:07 AM »
actually I`ve heard talk about what humans can kill without guns and the list is very small. zebra is definately not on the list. I speak for all of us- we are a wimpy-ass species. goats can kick our sorry asses.

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Re: How do you fear something currently not possible?
« Reply #88 on: February 13, 2011, 10:11:55 AM »
actually I`ve heard talk about what humans can kill without guns and the list is very small. zebra is definately not on the list. I speak for all of us- we are a wimpy-ass species. goats can kick our sorry asses.

"Hunting in prehistoric times required special skills, knowledge of the land and its animals, and the creativity to plan and carry out the hunt. With weapons and tools made with little more than sticks and stones, prehistoric hunters could stalk and slay almost any animal on land. They also could spear, trap, hook, or net a variety of creatures in rivers and oceans."
http://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/kids/hunting/index.html#main

I did survival training and you'd be surprised what you can trap and kill with nothing more than a knife and some creativity. Substitute a sharp edged stone for the knife if needed... Larger animals require cooperation between several humans, but nothing more complex than is exhibited by a number of other animals, such as wolves.
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Re: How do you fear something currently not possible?
« Reply #89 on: February 13, 2011, 10:21:51 AM »
actually I`ve heard talk about what humans can kill without guns and the list is very small.

true Kimba....makes sense....it's obvious we aren't built for that.....lions, alligators, wolves, & hyenas are
those hyenas are rough, tough, S.O.B.'s
lions usually asphyxiate their prey before eating
i think hyenas eat their prey alive.....OUCH!
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