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Re: Ayatollah Ali Khamenei explains
« Reply #45 on: August 11, 2015, 11:07:54 PM »
   Enforcement was rough enough that there was no Synagogue or open observation of traditions for a few centuries.

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« Reply #46 on: August 12, 2015, 02:13:36 PM »
Jews ordered deported from England refused to go and went into hiding. They were useful because the British peerage had a lot of spendtrift members who gambled and gamboled excessively and needed a source of loans.  Then more Jews came from Germany and the Netherlands (Rosenkranz and Guildenstern were from one or the other of these areas).

The British did not give the Zionists Israel because of their guilt, they did so to have allies in the region, and as such it has worked out pretty well.

Logically, the Jews deserved a piece of Germany or Austria. The Arabs were not to blame for the Holocaust, but they were the ones rendered homeless.

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Re: Ayatollah Ali Khamenei explains
« Reply #47 on: September 04, 2015, 05:38:08 PM »
« Last Edit: September 04, 2015, 05:47:36 PM by Christians4LessGvt »
"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" - Ronald Reagan - June 12, 1987

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« Reply #48 on: September 04, 2015, 06:31:15 PM »
This goes to show how utterly ignorant  the websites CU4 plagiarizes from really are.


That is idiotic. Carter did not give Iran to Muslims. Iranians have been Muslims since the fall of the Sasanian Dynasty around 650 AD.

This deal will keep them from making any nuclear weapons for at least another 15 years. Without the deal, that would be three years tops.

Again. the Republicans were accomplices in making it possible to pass this deal with only a 34 votes.

The expression on Netanyahu's face will be worth it.

He was actually outsmarted by Americans! We should give ourselves a medal for that!


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Re: Ayatollah Ali Khamenei explains
« Reply #49 on: September 04, 2015, 07:06:42 PM »


Again. the Republicans were accomplices in making it possible to pass this deal with only a 34 votes.


Why , those nasty schnooks.

Did they change the rules so that it requires a two thirds vote to override a veto?

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Re: Ayatollah Ali Khamenei explains
« Reply #50 on: September 04, 2015, 11:14:47 PM »
It took only 34 votes to pass the thing.

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Re: Ayatollah Ali Khamenei explains
« Reply #51 on: September 05, 2015, 01:53:31 AM »
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/09/02/436647276/minority-rules-capitol-hill-vote-tactics-displayed-in-iran-deal

This looks like a pretty good explanation.

This legal maneuver is not new it gets used every year.

But it represents a government swindle of the people , so that they can do something that they can convince the most of the government is needed , but do not feel as if they can convince most of the people.

   So they agree to swindle the people and pass a bill of disapproval rather than approval.
    A disapproval can be vetoed by the president and the veto sustained by failing to gather a two thirds vote. If the bill was for approval it could fail to pass by not getting a simple majority and the Presidents veto would not come into play.

  Cruz is right , this is mendacity on the part of a government that holds the intelligence of the common citizen in contempt.
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    There is another effect of this maneuver tho, due to this maneuver , this agreement will never achieve the status of a treaty, it is an executive action that the president can quickly and easily revoke.

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Re: Ayatollah Ali Khamenei explains
« Reply #52 on: September 05, 2015, 12:51:44 PM »
It will NOT BE REVOKED, because the next president will have no way to  reimpose sanctions of all the other countries..

It was the right thing to do, and it was done., and it will STAY DONE.

The Republican'ts collaborated on the way this was done as well.
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Re: Ayatollah Ali Khamenei explains
« Reply #53 on: September 05, 2015, 05:40:13 PM »
The nuclear chess game begins:

Iran plays for sanctions relief before compliance with deal


DEBKAfile Exclusive Analysis

September 4, 2015

The crowing this week over Barack Obama's success in gaining congressional support for his Iranian nuclear deal against Binyamin Netanyahu's defeat was premature. The July 14 Vienna deal between Iran and six world powers was just the first round of the game. Decisive rounds are still to come, before either of the two can be said to have won or lost.

The biggest outstanding hurdle in the path of the accord is Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and his silence on where he stands on the deal whether by a yea or a nay.

Without his nod, nothing goes forward in the revolutionary republic. So the nuclear accord is not yet home and dry either in Tehran or even in Washington.
While Obama gathered congressional support in Washington for the accord to pass, Khamenei made three quiet yet deadly remarks:

1. "Sanctions against Tehran must be lifted completely rather than suspended. If the framework of sanctions is to be maintained, then why did we negotiate?"

White House spokesman Josh Earnest answered him: "Iran will only see sanctions relief if it complies with the nuclear deal."

There lies the rub. For the Obama administration, it is clear that Iran must first comply with the accord before sanctions are eased, whereas Tehran deems the accord moot until sanctions are lifted, regardless of its approval by the US Congress.

Here is the first stalemate, and not the last. DEBKAfile's Iranian sources foresee long, exhausting rounds ahead that could drag on longer even than the protracted negotiations, which Secretary of State John Kerry and Foreign Minister Mohammed Javad Zarif brought to a close in Vienna.

2. Khamenei next took the step of referring the accord to the Majlis (parliament) for approval, pretending that to be legally in force, the accord requires a majority vote by the parliament in Tehran. He put it this way, "I believe that it is not in the interest of the majlis to be sidelined."

This step was in fact designed to sideline President Hassan Rouhani, on whom Obama and Kerry counted to get the nuclear deal through, and snatch from him the authority for signing it, or even determining which body had this competence.

It had been the intention of Rouhani and Zarif to put the accord before the 12-member Council of Guardians for their formal endorsement. But Khamenei pulled this rug out from under their feet and kept the decision out of the hands of the accord's proponents.

3. His next step was to declare with a straight face: "I have no recommendation for the majlis on how to examine it. It is up to the representatives of the nation to decide whether to reject or ratify it."

This step in the nuclear chess game was meant to show American democracy up in a poor light compared to that of the Revolutionary Republic (sic). While Obama worked hard to bring his influence to bear on Congress he, Khamenei, refrained from leaning on the lawmakers, who were freed to vote fair and square on the deal's merits.

This of course is a charade. Our Iranian sources point out that the ayatollah exercises dictatorial control over the majlis through his minion, Speaker Ali Larijani. He has absolute trust in the lawmakers never reaching any decision on the nuclear deal, or anything else, without his say-so.

Congressional approval in Washington of the nuclear accord may give President Obama a fine boost but will be an empty gesture for winning endorsement in Tehran. It might even be counter-productive if American lawmakers carry out their intention of hedging the nuclear deal round with stipulations binding Iran to full compliance with the commitments it undertook in Vienna, or also continue to live with existing sanctions or even face new ones.

Netanyahu and the Israeli lobby AIPAC, far from experiencing defeat in their campaign to prevent a nuclear-armed Iran, are well fired up for the next round: the fight for sanctions.

http://www.debka.com/article/24868/The-nuclear-chess-game-begins-Iran-plays-for-sanctions-relief-before-compliance-with-deal
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Re: Ayatollah Ali Khamenei explains
« Reply #54 on: September 05, 2015, 10:23:56 PM »
It will NOT BE REVOKED, because the next president will have no way to  reimpose sanctions of all the other countries..

It was the right thing to do, and it was done., and it will STAY DONE.

The Republican'ts collaborated on the way this was done as well.

No.
This is not a Treaty , it has a lesser standing , this only requires a president think it is no longer a good idea. How unlikely is this?

   A real treaty would require a real vote in the Senate.

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Re: Ayatollah Ali Khamenei explains
« Reply #55 on: September 05, 2015, 10:46:22 PM »
It will NOT BE REVOKED, because the next president will have no way to  reimpose sanctions of all the other countries..



Hey!

Doesn't this mean that the Iranians can revoke this deal without cost?

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Re: Ayatollah Ali Khamenei explains
« Reply #56 on: September 06, 2015, 11:01:57 AM »
"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" - Ronald Reagan - June 12, 1987

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Re: Ayatollah Ali Khamenei explains
« Reply #57 on: September 06, 2015, 02:02:36 PM »
I really think that the failure is fully accomplished now.

The sanctions are broken and will be hard to rebuild under any circumstances .

It matters not whether the congress rebukes the president this way , we had Iran in a wrist lock and they are loose now , Iran will do as they please and feel virtue in frustrating the USA.

Do you remember haw pleased they were to insult President Carter?

In truth President Carter was probably quite inclined to be reasonable with them, but reasonable is not what they want.

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Re: Ayatollah Ali Khamenei explains
« Reply #58 on: September 06, 2015, 02:03:57 PM »

This deal will keep them from making any nuclear weapons for at least another 15 years.


Why do you think this?