Norway

[Kramer]

Could be one of the anti-immigrant Norwegians, tired of the government allowing the dehomogenization of their country. Like the Who singer from the UK!

why did they import the Muslims anyway, the answer labor, too bad they didn't get off their asses and do their own work. We made the same mistake here the last 25 years. If we would have secured the southern border this country would be in better shape today.

[BT]

I'm just trying to figure out how they will end up trying to blame this one on Palin.

[hnumpah]

let me quess.....it was a Muslim?

"Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another"  Quran 48:29

Some things never change.

[Xavier_Onassis]

If we would have secured the southern border this country would be in better shape today.

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If the Mexicans had secured their NORTHERN border, they would have a better country to day. Bigger, and without you in it.

[Xavier_Onassis]

No matter what the Koran says, the suspect in this is a Norwegian rightwinger, so no amount of profiling Arabs would have been useful in preventing it.

I bet the Norwegians do more to make guns harder to get than the US did after Columbiune, which was nothing at all.

[Kramer]

No matter what the Koran says, the suspect in this is a Norwegian rightwinger, so no amount of profiling Arabs would have been useful in preventing it.

I bet the Norwegians do more to make guns harder to get than the US did after Columbiune, which was nothing at all.

from the lips of a liberal gun control doesn't work and when a criminal wants to commit an act they can get a gun or a weapon and accomplish their goal. This is why liberals are stupid assholes!

[kimba1]

Americans doing thier own work without immigrants?

Interesting,has their been any research at how viable it would be? All I
 Hear is speculation. It's easy to say it would work but that also means nothing. How about real data like labor cost effecting economy and other such data?

[Plane]

I bet the Norwegians do more to make guns harder to get than the US did after Columbiune, which was nothing at all.

The Columbine massacre was accomplished without any leagally obtained wepons. If there were ten additional laws broken what diffrence would it have made?

I refrained from speculation reguarding the involvement of Islam but did you jump the gun speculateing whether a lack of gun controll was involved?

[Plane]

http://news.yahoo.com/norway-police-arrive-90-minutes-firing-began-205033309.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_Norway

Police said the suspect is talking to them and has admitted to firing weapons on the island. It was not clear if he had confessed to anything else he is accused of.

"He has had a dialogue with the police the whole time, but he's a very demanding suspect," Sponheim said.

There are basically two types of maximum penalty laws:

The maximum determinate penalty is 21 years imprisonment, but only a small percentage of prisoners serve more than 14 years. Prisoners will typically get unsupervised parole for weekends etc. after serving ? of their sentence (a maximum of 7 years) and can receive early release after serving ? of their sentence (a maximum of 14 years).
The maximum indeterminate penalty, called "containment" (Norwegian: forvaring), is also set at 21 years imprisonment, and the prisoner is required to serve at least 10 years before becoming eligible for parole. "Containment" is used when the prisoner is deemed a danger to society and there is a great chance of committing violent crimes in the future. If the prisoner is still considered dangerous after serving the original sentence, the prisoner can receive up to five years additional containment.
If the additional time is served, and the offender is still considered dangerous, a prisoner can continue to receive up to five years additional containment, and this, in theory, could result in actual life imprisonment. [1] However, the offender can be paroled or released at any time if it is determined that the offender is no longer a danger to society.

[Plane]

To own a gun in Norway, one must document a use for the gun. By far, the most common grounds for civilian ownership are hunting and sports shooting, in that order. Other needs can include special guard duties or self defence, but the first is rare and the second is practically never accepted as a reason for gun ownership.

There are special rules for collectors of guns. They are exempt from many parts of the regulation, but, in turn, they must meet even more narrow qualifications. Collectors may purchase, but not fire without permission, all kinds of guns in their respective areas of interest, which they have defined in advance.

Ownership is regulated in paragraph 7,[1] and responsibility for issuing a gun ownership license is given to the police authority in the applicant's district.

Rifle and shotgun ownership permission can be given to "sober and responsible" persons 18 years or older. The applicant for the permission must document a need for the weapon. Two exceptions exist to this age qualification. Persons under the age of 18, but over 16 may apply for rifle or shotgun ownership licence with the consent of parents or guardian. For handguns, the lowest ownership age is 21 with no exceptions allowed. For inherited weapons, it is up to the local police chief to make a decision based on the individual facts of the case.

An applicant must have a clean police record in order to obtain an ownership license.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Norway

[Xavier_Onassis]

I speculated that this particular individual should not have had the guns that were used in the shootout.

Countries that have strict gun laws have far fewer incidents of gun violence. There are ample statistics to prove this.

The reason it was possible for the kids in the Columbine shootings to acquire their guns was because there are a huge number of guns in circulation.

Obviously, a seriously dedicated individual can get guns illegally if he tries really hard to do so. But most acts of gun violence are not meticulously thought out acts like this one.

[Plane]

Countries that have strict gun laws have far fewer incidents of gun violence. There are ample statistics to prove this.

Fewer than what?

Fewer than they would otherwise ?

Austrailia had little gun violence, then after a massacre much like this one they came up with very strict gun restrictions, then like majic, they had little gun violence.

There really are not ample clean unprejudiced statistics to prove this.

By carefully contaminateing the stats you can get qhatever  one wants .

At Columbine no leagally obtained wepons were used, someone who is plotting like this isn't handicapped by a regulation that makes it hard to move a gun leagally.

What most of these massacres have in common is a gunman attracted to a helpless population "protected" from haveing any guns themselves.

[Henny]

let me quess.....it was a Muslim?

[Xavier_Onassis]

What most of these massacres have in common is a gunman attracted to a helpless population "protected" from haveing any guns themselves.

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People in most common situations everywhere in which there is massacres don't have guns, whether guns are legal or not.

Nearly all gun deaths are accidental (like children shooting other children or adults) or domestic disputes, not massacres of anonymous people. Such events are horrible, but rare.

Countries that have lots of guns, have a lot of such gun deaths. Countries where guns are outlawed have much less. The US has more than all other developed countries on a per capita basis.

I am not for gun control in the US, simply because the time has passed for that: there are too far many guns to confiscate them and doing so would provoke even more violence. We are just stuck with way too many guns. They should have been outlawed in the 1950's.

[hnumpah]

let me quess.....it was a Muslim?

http://news.yahoo.com/norway-suspect-deems-killings-atrocious-needed-013354792.html

Notably:

...Breivik hated "cultural marxists," wanted a "crusade" against the spread of Islam and liked guns and weightlifting, web postings, acquaintances and officials said...