News Flash for the GOP

[sirs]

BINGO!!

[Christians4LessGvt]

The government is the only force that can beat down the exorbitant cost of medicine and healthcare.

Medical costs are going up with more gvt involved, not down.

Printing money and borrowing from the Chinese is not the correct way to control costs.
In fact long term it is a disaster...and a sneaky and immoral way to tax working people.

[Plane]

The government is the only force that can beat down the exorbitant cost of medicine and healthcare. And it will happen.

This must be the belief of many.

That seems very wrong to me , but XO seems to feel natural with it.

Why do people with experience of government spending expect the government to do a good job of cost management?

[Xavier_Onassis]

This is what happened in the UK, Taiwan, France, Germany and Switzerland, among other places.

All we need to do is not elect morons who think the solution is that the people consider the government to be the enemy of the people, for the people and by the people.

[sirs]

The other thing we need to do is not elect arrogant elitist think-they-know-it-alls, who consider the people stupid, and think that the Government is the end all-be all to solving every problem in life, with the bigger the supposed better......perpeutating an ever worsening scenario of ineffecient bureaucracy, if not outright oppressiveness, as they do end arounds, if not blatant stomping, all over our Constitution, in order to "change the way we do things"

[Plane]

This is what happened in the UK, Taiwan, France, Germany and Switzerland, among other places.

All we need to do is not elect morons who think the solution is that the people consider the government to be the enemy of the people, for the people and by the people.

  Do your better friends lie to you ?

Perhaps they tell you the shrimp is turkey , because they know you ought to eat some shrimp and you just don't like it?

   Do your worse friends tell you the truth, like unpleasantly sometimes?

[Xavier_Onassis]

My friends don't lie to me.
I fail to see your point.

[Plane]

Your friends don't lie to you .

Your government lies to you.

Your government is not your friend.

Syllogism.

[sirs]

Touche' Plane.     

[sirs]

The precedent that Obama is pushing, that his sychophants are rationalizing as ok, is so dangerous to the very fabric of this country.  There's no way in hell the left or the media would sit still if a President Bush decided...just because congress wouldnt do his bidding... that various tax codes won't be enforced, or that certain enviromental laws will be reconsidered for enforcement.  Like it or not, that's not how this country functions. 

This isn't some South American Monarcy.  We have a Republically run government, with branches that each help keep the other in check.  It's people spoke as clear as they could, 2 weeks ago.  Obama is literally trying to make the Executive Branch this extra-ordinary branch, that doesn't have to abide by its boundries, clearly layed out in the Constitution, or to listen to the will of the people.  He must have flunked that course where he claimed to be a Constitutional scholar

And no, if you don't vote, you don't get to "speak" to the president, as if he was listening to that 2/3 who supposedly spoke to him as well   

[Xavier_Onassis]

What President Obama proposes to do about immigration is eminently reasonable: There is NO WAY any president is going to deport 11 million people or make them deport themselves. That WILL NOT HAPPEN.  Some of these people will have to be granted a way to become residents and citizens. Everyone knows this. The GOP Oligarchy likes the present situation just fine, because they want cheap, willing workers they can push around and threaten, cheat and diddle at will. But the Oligarchs are few, and primarily the ones who benefit are just those in several industries: agriculture, construction and meatpacking. Son they have fired up a huge number of ignorant, knucklewalking teabaggers and they tell them that they will not do anything until the border is "secure".

What the Hell does that mean?  Seal the border, like the Berlin Wall? Like the Wall Israel has built around its Jewish colonies in the West Bank? Please, the Mexico/US border is far too long for that, and Mexico is our third or fourth greatest trading partner. No way they will seal the border. No way they will throw the owners of factory farms like Bud Antle,  meatpackers like Hormel, builders like Arvida in jail. And a 15 foot wall would  not stop people with a 16 foot ladder, or diggers of tunnels. They can diminish the number of illegals crossing, but they will never be able to make it impossible to get into this country. Land mines are illegal. We can't shoot people for just wanting a better job. They could do a better job of tracking those who come as tourists, perhaps. But saying that the border must be "secure" before they will take any action is nothing but a stalling tactic by the Oligarchy that benefits from cheap foreign illegal labor.

Congress should have taken care of this long ago, but Congress is infested with Republican'ts who collect huge amounts for their votes from the people who benefit from the status quo.

[sirs]

Reasonable is one opinion.  The problem is its not his jurisdiction to augment existing immigration law.  The next GOP president could claim that its "reasonable" to return abortion law back to the state.   And you'd be ok with that?  Of course not.  There's a mandated process to change existing law.....its called congress.   Reagan never had a "receptive congress" but he dealt with what he had.  So its irrelevant how supposedly reasonable Obama's intentions are.  He himself indicated that he can't change existing immigration law......period

[Plane]

.......................until the border is "secure".

What the Hell does that mean?  Seal the border, like the Berlin Wall? Like the Wall Israel has built around its Jewish colonies in the West Bank? ..............

Yes.

And don't forget Hadrian or the Great Wall Of China.

Walls aren't perfect , but a sharp decrease in the flow is better than a trend of increase.

I didn't know that land mines were illegal, when did that happen?

[sirs]

UNTIL THE BORDER IS SECURE!!  That literally means we strictly enforce border security, we strictly enforce existing immigration law, for anyone caught trying to get in, and we restart the effort to build a literal structured wall, to reinforce our border security. 

Short of that, any such "executive actions" does absolutely nothing to prevent millions more illegal immigrants from pouring into the country, knowing that they have a receptive emperor of the U.S. willing to look the other way, despite his oath he swore upon the bible with, that he would faithfully uphold.  The oath wasn't limited to only the laws he lies.  This isn't rocket science.  Millions have been crossing into our border, illegally, and granting them amnesty merely emboldens millions more

So, you secure the border 1st, then you will have BIPARTISAN LEGISLATIVE SUPPORT for a more "comprehensive" overhaul, which could include everything Obama wants to do, with executive action

That's what a leader would do.  That's what the President of the United States is authorized to do

[Xavier_Onassis]

The border will N E V  E R be 100% secure, Never. So the Oligarchs  that enjoy the cheap labor will  never let their  puppets vote for a comprehensive immigration bill. The 'baggers will continue to  be their useful idiots, and more and  more illegals will enter.

The GOP leaders want the staus quo to continue.  You morons are being used.