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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2015, 10:03:29 PM »


Fewer the number of people that vote, the less a democracy we have.

I don't see it this way.

The right to vote needs to be universal or as nearly so as can be done.

The decision to not vote should be respected.

When the issue is one I know little about , I also fail to vote.

When the issues are those I care about and have had a chance to study , it is much more important that I vote , than that someone who will flip a coin might vote.

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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2015, 02:51:27 PM »
I like the Australian way: you vote, or you pay a fine.

Australia is pretty well run.
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #32 on: September 30, 2015, 02:53:25 PM »
When the issues are those I care about and have had a chance to study , it is much more important that I vote , than that someone who will flip a coin might vote.

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« Reply #33 on: September 30, 2015, 03:28:20 PM »
You are so incredibly ill-informed about the history 0of this country that someone flipping a coin would have a 50-50 chance making a wiser choice than you.
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« Reply #34 on: September 30, 2015, 05:48:43 PM »
It figures some hard core leftist would prefer someone flipping a coin to vote than someone who's educated themselves on the issues & candidates, but perhaps doesn't share their ieological agenda

News Flash.....especially as it relates to the history of this country.  It was founded on freedom.  Freedom to make good choices & bad choices.  Freedom to succeed or screw-up.  Freedom to vote....or NOT vote.  Voting is that sacred, as is the freedom that founded this country.  They go hand in hand.  Now, while its transparent why the left would want the most ignorant, undereducated folks to vote in mass, with the presumption they'd vote for more Government to aide them in their ignorant uneducated ways, Plane was right on target that the biggest enemy to the left, in a democracy, being a well informed voter.  As such, they need to be overwhelmed by sheer #'s, which is why voter ID laws are demonized, mass bussing of union and homeless is arranged for, and even dead people voting is ok, so long as its not discovered until after the election
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2015, 05:54:33 PM »
It was founded on FREEDOM?  REALLY?

How about all those slaves? Were they free?

No one got the vote in Virginia in 1800 except men who owned property.

Here is how it really was, Sonny-Boy:


Declaration of Independence

The signing of the Declaration of Independence in 1776 brought new political freedoms to America. The country needed a leader and a democratic system for electing officials. The forefathers agreed that voting rights should be extended to all citizens, defined as property owners who were at least 21 years of age. During the late 1700s and early 1800s, the majority of property owners were Protestant white males. As a result, only the wealthy had a voice in political decisions and women and minorities were excluded. The first Presidential election was held in 1789, when only 6 percent of the population had voting rights. In 1812, six Western states were the first to give non-property owning white men the right to vote.
U.S. Constitution

Ratification of the U.S. Constitution clearly defined the balance of power in government, making it difficult for a single leader or an individual branch of government to rule the country. The forefathers chose to put voting rights in the hands of states, so there were no national or federal laws to regulate voting. Most states followed previous voting precedents and gave voting rights to white male landowners only. Even though the Bill of Rights enumerated civil liberties, it didn’t grant women or African Americans the right to vote.
African-American Men

The 15th Amendment to the Constitution, ratified in 1870, granted African-American men the right to vote. The Amendment states that the right to vote “shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.” However, some Southern states imposed poll taxes and literacy tests that made it nearly impossible for black men to qualify for voting privileges. Black women, regardless of their ability to pass voting prerequisite tests, were not allowed to vote.
Women's Struggle for Voting Rights

During the early 1800s, most women worked at home and raised families. As a result, they didn’t have money to purchase land, separate from their husbands. Men were listed as sole property owners on real estate deeds, making them U.S. citizens and granting them voting rights in many states. It wasn’t until 1856 that the last state, North Carolina, gave voting rights to all white males, regardless of property ownership. Women weren’t given national voting privileges until the 19th Amendment was passed in 1920. However, California, Nevada, Idaho, Oregon, New Mexico, Colorado, Nebraska, South Dakota, Michigan and New York gave women voting privileges before the Amendment was enacted.


There were two groups that fought for Independence: the New Englanders, led by predominately men of commerce, and the Southern Plantation aristocracy.
I had ancestors in both groups, in Massachusetts and Georgia. The people of Massachusetts did not want to be bound to trade with only the English, as often others, such as the French and the Dutch, offered lower prices and better terms, and therefore higher profits. My Massachusetts ancestors were fishermen and farmers. The fishermen did not like the habit of the British of dragooning fishermen into the Navy, The farmers liked higher prices for their tobacco and lower prices on manufactured goods. The British prohibited the manufacture of many goods in the colonies.

The Southern Aristocracy tended to be Irish or Scots-Irish and they did not like the German King and especially they did not like Parliament, who they felt should treat them the way that landholding aristocrats were treated in London: with seats in the House of Lords and at least a few in the House of Commons. England, of course, was not a democratic place in the 1760's.  The Southerners wanted to expand into territory the British had promised to the Indians. 

The US as a young country had slightly more freedoms than England. But not by much.
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #36 on: September 30, 2015, 06:23:29 PM »
It was founded on FREEDOM?  REALLY?

YES


How about all those slaves? Were they free?

Not yet.  Took yet another.... *close your eyes*....WAR, to help bring about that change.  If left up to folks like yourself, there'd still be slavery, since war was the only avenue to have brought about that freedom to blacks


No one got the vote in Virginia in 1800 except men who owned property.

Not, the case now is it.  In other words, now everyone legally able to vote has....wait for it....THE FREEDOM TO VOTE.......OR NOT

Here's how it is Grandpa, we have ridiculously more freedoms than pretty much any other country.....including England.  Those freedoms were fought for, millions have sacraficed their lives for these very freedoms that we have, and not you are any of your leftist socialist crod is going to take that away from them, or us
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #37 on: September 30, 2015, 08:03:07 PM »
I like the Australian way: you vote, or you pay a fine.

Australia is pretty well run.

I would have to pay that fine now and then.

When I don't know the issues I have a 50-50 chance of doing more harm than good.

When I can I look for information and contrary opinions , to prevent my own ignorance, but I can't pay attention to everything.

Some people have pleasant sounding names , I bet they get extra votes that way.

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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #38 on: October 01, 2015, 11:23:58 AM »
since war was the only avenue to have brought about that freedom to blacks

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Really?  There was no war that brought freedom to Blacks in British colonies, Cuba or Puerto Rico. The Spanish declared that from a specific date, no one would be born a slave. Brazil had LOTS of slaves. The abolitionists had to depose the emperor to end slavery there, but there was no war.

The Spanish, declared the end of slavery in Santo Domingo, then the French declared it in Haiti. The war resulted in Napoleon's attempt to reinstate slavery, and it failed.

Every Spanish colony declared the abolition of slavery when it became free of Spanish rule.

It was the Southerners who started the Civil War and they paid a major price for it.

What freedoms do we have in the US that Canadians do not have?
It always sounds nice to say that immigrants came here for religious freedom, but that is not really true. The Pilgrims persecuted heretics, They killed people for witchcraft.
Most people came here because there were opportunities in North America that did not exist in Europe. They were driven by poverty and boredom. Liberty was way down the list.


You know next to nothing of history.
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #39 on: October 01, 2015, 11:32:28 AM »
Some people have pleasant sounding names , I bet they get extra votes that way.

I am sure that is true.

On the Dade County ballot, we have long lists of judges that we know nothing about. Occasionally, the newspaper will say something good or about one of them but mostly it is a list of names.

Who would win this one: Donald Barad or Ellen Guralnik?
Or this one: Lucy Diamond, Fernando Pincus or Emile Duchamps?

Sorry, that's all you get.
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #40 on: October 01, 2015, 01:42:48 PM »
since war was the only avenue to have brought about that freedom to blacks

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Really?  There was no war that brought freedom to Blacks in British colonies, Cuba or Puerto Rico.

Not talking about other countries.  We're talking about this one.  But yea, decades, maybe even a century later, Slavery MAY have been abolished.....or maybe not.  Again, this country was founded on Freedom.  And if the South, and its Democrats had their way, they may have maintained their freedom to own slaves.  Who knows, especially since slavery still DOES exist on parts of this globe

What we do know, is that the north, Lincoln, and the Republican party, brought an end to it.  WAR brought an end to it, and new Freedoms for blacks
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #41 on: October 01, 2015, 07:00:31 PM »
A country founded on slavery cannot be founded on freedom.

Maybe the freedom to own slaves?

You are deluded, as always.

There was one slave rebellion that ended slavery, on St Johns, in what is now the US Virgin Islands. However, the slavers returned with a huge army and killed the slaves in revolt. In all other cases, slavery was ended without any war. Only on the US was there an actual war.

Slavery exists mostly in the Muslim world: Yemen, Djibouti, Oman and Nepalese prostitutes in India. It is not official legal anywhere

The Western Sahara Liberation Front, Polisario, was very popular with European liberals in its struggle against Moroccans, until it turned out that the families of the leaders of Polisario, owned families of slaves, as they had for rations, a common practice in Mauritania.  This was the former Spanish colony of Spanish Sahara, now mostly controlled by Morocco and exploited for Nitrates.

No country with slaves can be founded on Freedom. That is just preposterous.
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #42 on: October 01, 2015, 08:41:21 PM »
A country founded on slavery cannot be founded on freedom.


No.
This makes no sense.

    A country that already has satisfactory conditions , including freedom, needs not struggle does it?

  Freedom existed in the Colonies , even if it was not complete or respected for all, but there was a reason to rebel and the rebellious spoke most often of freedom.

   Slavery as a custom was worldwide (almost) at the time of the American Revolution, for the improvement in freedom our founders pledged their fortunes, lives and honor, loosing most of these fortunes , some of the lives and not seeing the increase in honor for a long time.

      The rights of Englishmen were already better than most of the world, if the king and parliament had recognized the colonists full rights, they may have remained faithful.

      But threats to loss of rights, taxation without representation and failures to respect and protect the Colonists led them to rebel, hoping for better  conditions and more freedom.

 

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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #43 on: October 02, 2015, 04:08:09 AM »
A country founded on slavery cannot be founded on freedom.

Of course it can.  Freedom per the parameters established by those in charge.


Maybe the freedom to own slaves?

We have the freedom to possess firearms, that folks like yourself would abolish in a heartbeat, if you had the power.  Why wouldn't the southern democrats fight for a freedom they believed was worth their while....the freedom to posses slaves


There was one slave rebellion that ended slavery, on St Johns, in what is now the US Virgin Islands. However, the slavers returned with a huge army and killed the slaves in revolt. In all other cases, slavery was ended without any war. Only on the US was there an actual war.

And it ended slavery abruptly.  Considering slavery still exists on this globe, there's nothing to guarantee that it couldn't have been prolonged for decades, if not longer, here in this country.  WAR brought it to a swift end.  And the US is a better place because of that

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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #44 on: October 02, 2015, 09:01:52 AM »
Five years is not "abruptly".

Abolition was not enacted until January 1, 1863, and then only in the parts of the country controlled by the Confederacy. Slavery was not abolished until December of 1865.

That is not "abruptly".

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Returning to Ben Carson:

Is someone who believes that Satan speaks to scientists to warp their thinking actually  qualified to be president now?

Perhaps his voices will tell him that coal does not pollute, or that it does not matter, because Jeezus is returning next Tuesday and he will clean the atmosphere.

We recently had a high tide due to the "supermoon" and Miami Beach was awash in water. This has NEVER HAPPENED before when there was no storm.

If we have some twit in the White House that thinks 97% of all climate scientists are possessed by SATAN, that does not bode well for the country.

Of course, Carson and Fiorina are the distractions to lure the Iowa Republicans away from The Donald until  JEB! decided to release the Kraken: his bazillion dollar PAC.
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