Republicans and evangelicals

[Lanya]

This is a very interesting train of thought.

What I'm wondering is this: If someone simply decides they are straight, and marries, and has sex with the wife, BUT fantasizes about men during the act....Is he straight?  Or is he living a lie?   God knows....

[sirs]

If someone simply decides they are straight, and marries, and has sex with the wife, BUT fantasizes about men during the act....Is he straight?  Or is he living a lie?   God knows....

Bingo   

[Lanya]

So is that an acceptable resolution to the problem of a, let's say, a woman who wants to please her family, and society, by marrying and fitting in?  Even if she knows she is attracted to women, she marries  a man, promises to love him and cherish him.
And she does this by some mental gymnastics that I don't understand, but I know some men who found out their wives were gay. I know women who found out their husbands were gay. 
If marriage is a sacrament, doesn't this just really wreck it?   
I know the Catholic church has provisions for annulment in such cases.   
Why someone would put their spouse through such helll:  Because it's socially acceptable.   That is not a good reason. 

[sirs]

So is that an acceptable resolution to the problem of a, let's say, a woman who wants to please her family, and society, by marrying and fitting in?  Even if she knows she is attracted to women, she marries  a man, promises to love him and cherish him.
And she does this by some mental gymnastics that I don't understand, but I know some men who found out their wives were gay. I know women who found out their husbands were gay. 
If marriage is a sacrament, doesn't this just really wreck it?. 

Not sure where you're trying to go with this "train of thought.  As you've already referenced Lanya, only God knows what's in their hearts. 

[_JS]

Apparently JS is blind

Apparently JS recognizes bullshit when he sees it.

I happen to think Rosario Dawson and Connie Nielsen are both very attractive. Do I know them personally? No. Do you know Phoebe Cates? I doubt it. In fact, your attraction is based entirely on her physical appearance, which is why you keep responding with the "blind" comments. I notice you aren't jumping up and down about your attraction to Liz Torres.

So, do you view Phoebe like a puppy dog or a work of art? No. This isn't "appreciation," it is physical attraction with all the biological impulses implied therein.

[_JS]

So is that an acceptable resolution to the problem of a, let's say, a woman who wants to please her family, and society, by marrying and fitting in?  Even if she knows she is attracted to women, she marries  a man, promises to love him and cherish him.
And she does this by some mental gymnastics that I don't understand, but I know some men who found out their wives were gay. I know women who found out their husbands were gay. 
If marriage is a sacrament, doesn't this just really wreck it?   
I know the Catholic church has provisions for annulment in such cases.   
Why someone would put their spouse through such helll:  Because it's socially acceptable.   That is not a good reason.

Marriage is a sacrament Lanya and should not be entered into in this case (in my opinion). Being socially acceptable or feeling that one has a social duty is not enough to make a marriage.

[sirs]

Apparently JS is blind

I happen to think Rosario Dawson and Connie Nielsen are both very attractive. Do I know them personally? No. Do you know Phoebe Cates? I doubt it. In fact, your attraction is based entirely on her physical appearance, which is why you keep responding with the "blind" comments. I notice you aren't jumping up and down about your attraction to Liz Torres.
So, do you view Phoebe like a puppy dog or a work of art? No. This isn't "appreciation," it is physical attraction with all the biological impulses implied therein.

Of course she's physically attractive.  Still doesn't equate with me wanting to have sex with her, now does it.  Get the diff, yet?  Or are you trying to tell me anyone you find even mildy physically attactive you "want to do her"? ...or him for that matter?

[_JS]

Of course she's physically attractive.  Still doesn't equate with me wanting to have sex with her, now does it.  Get the diff, yet?  Or are you trying to tell me anyone you find even mildy physically attactive you "want to do her"? ...or him for that matter?

I'm saying that a component of physical attraction has to do with biological reproduction, especially for men. Look at Scarlett Johansson. Why might one find her attractive? Now, if she were sickly would you find her as attractive?

If Phoebe Cates had HIV, would you find her as attractive?

It isn't a matter of wanting to "do her" (nice language by the way). It is simple biology. I noticed Phobe Cates is not an elderly woman. Are you attracted to any women over age 80?

[kimba1]

 
 
(Reminds self to tear up those credit card offers real good...)

Actually a very good idea for everybody.
it real dangerous for anyone to just toss those in the trash
I shred mine and dispose them in two seperate bins.
if they can recover them from that then they earned it.
but it`s areal good gamble it`s not gonna happen.

[kimba1]

Marriage is a sacrament Lanya and should not be entered into in this case (in my opinion). Being socially acceptable or feeling that one has a social duty is not enough to make a marriage.

but social duty is the very foundation of marraige.

it`s a good bet very few people have not heard the phrase your not getting any younger.

very little requirement with emotional connection.
 the common thing I hear from engaged women is he wants kids.
not once I hear he`s very nice or anything really positive about the guy

[sirs]

Of course she's physically attractive.  Still doesn't equate with me wanting to have sex with her, now does it.  Get the diff, yet?  Or are you trying to tell me anyone you find even mildy physically attactive you "want to do her"? ...or him for that matter?

I'm saying that a component of physical attraction has to do with biological reproduction, especially for men. Look at Scarlett Johansson. Why might one find her attractive?   It isn't a matter of wanting to "do her" (nice language by the way). It is simple biology.

Ahh, so for you personally, you do want to do those you find physically attractive. (biologically speaking of course).  Well, then you'd be the one failing Jesus' requirements to not covet another man's wife.  I'll pray for you

[kimba1]

I`m guilty of that.
covet is a desire not a action.
so it really shouldn`t be a problem til it`s made an action.
I covet all over the place and i still don`t see a problem
i covet at least a dozen times a day.
I covet soo much It really is impossible to list
it`s just a matter of degree
I`m not gonna or want to do anything about who I covet.
maybe it`s because they`re so many i can`t do anything
that could be the answer covet soo many I won`t obsess over one.
moderation is the key to
I just covet right now.

[_JS]

Ahh, so for you personally, you do want to do those you find physically attractive. (biologically speaking of course).  Well, then you'd be the one failing Jesus' requirements to not covet another man's wife.  I'll pray for you

That's awfully callous ("you do want to do").

Do I think about some women in a sexual way? Absolutely. I'm a man. I'm not going to lie about that.

[sirs]

That's awfully callous ("you do want to do").
Do I think about some women in a sexual way? Absolutely. I'm a man. I'm not going to lie about that.

Callous = accurate?  You're the one implying this "biological need" to reproduce.  I'm simply indicating how one can find others attractive and not be obligated to "covet them" and want to have sex with them, despite some underlying "biological need" as you claim

[_JS]

No the use of callous is in reference to your language.

You don't "indicate" anything. You just keep repeating the same line as if it were true. You don't even bother to answer questions that are asked.