Opponent denies calling Clinton ugly

[Michael Tee]

<<I like how your "rebuttal" contained a quote that said "citation needed" for the attributive, yet mine require dates.>>

The "citation needed" did NOT relate to Byrd's apology, which was the only point of my post.  I just didn't have time to trim the quote down to the bare bones of the issue under discussion.  I assumed (wrongly as it turned out) that my readers would at least be able to pick out from the material I posted what was on point and weed out for themselves what was not.  Last time I'll make THAT assumption.

[sirs]

Lott had made a similar remark about the nation's tragic loss of a Strom Thurmond Presidency years before but it had not attracted the same amount of media attention.  Lott has a lot of other racist baggage, but you'll have to get off your ass and look for it yourself

That'd be YOUR mreitless accusation, requiring YOU to provide the supporting evidence.  Your XO-like obviously they're racists say so has pretty much zilch credibility at this point.  I've heard any MORON can do a 30sec google search.  Go for it.  And FYI opposing a holiday doesn't make a person a racist.  Try again.  You keep claiming a party full of racists.  Let's see them & how.  Use those vast google search powers of yours.  Perhaps you can find a GOPrRacists web site link from your o'so objective Bushlied web sight

NOWHERE did I say that Byrd's apology had to be sincere.  Where do you get that?

By the fact that you point to his, and give him a pass, but Lott's you've concluded was "pretending"  Why couldn't have Byrd been "pretending"?

[Amianthus]

You and Ami both asked if Byrd had ever apologized.  Probably the stupidest question either of you have asked in the past 48 hours.

Actually, my question was more to the point of his membership in the Klan having ended long ago.

All we have is his claim that it ended. And that claim is rebutted by the continued contact he had with Klan higher-ups - backed up by letters that were written years after he supposedly quit the group.

[Plane]

I don't think it unlikely that Senator Bird had a sencere change of heart.


This was coincidentally a sencere change of heart that is also politiclly expediant.

But why did Republicans have an opposite change of heart when political expediancy was running the other way?

[Michael Tee]

To those Republicans who continue to deny in the face of all common sense and historical fact that the Southern Strategy was an attempt by Republicans to capture white racist votes, get over it.  Ken Mehlman has already apologized for it!!!! - -

Washington Post - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2005/07/13/AR2005071302342.html - July 14, 2005 (Mehlman speech to NAACP)

Catch up with the rest of your party.

For those who doubted my word that Trent Lott had more racist baggage than his simple lamentation over the nation's short-sighted rejection of Strom Thurmond's Presidential run, here is more:

- from the Wikipedia article on Lott, <<Lott also maintained an affilation with the Council of Conservative Citizens, which is described as a hate group by the ADL, NAACP and SPLC.>>

And in case you don't want to take the word of the ADL, NAACP and SPLC as to whether or not the CCC is or is not a hate group, here's a little excerpt from their newsletter, courtesy World Socialist Web Site: 

<<To this day the CCC's newsletter continues to reprint Trent Lott's column, without objection from the senator, side-by-side with editorials denouncing interracial marriage as a genocidal attack on the white race, attacking welfare programs as a conspiracy to enrich the Jews, and opposing immigration as a threat to the "European derived descendants of the founders of the American nation.">>
http://www.wsws.org/news/1998/dec1998/lott-d23.shtml

- Lott counselled Ronald Reagan to kick off his 1980 Presidential campaign with a states' rights speech from Philadelphia, Mississippi (site of the murder by Neshoba County Sheriff's officers of the three civil rights workers Cheney, Goodman and Schwerner) and to help racist Bob Jones University get Federal tax breaks restored despite its racist policies.
(TIME Magazine - http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,399921,00.html)

I'm getting a little tired of researching the internet just to prove what I (and probably every other informed citizen) already know, just to satisfy some fucking moron who would challenge me if I said the sun rises in the east.  Unlike most of my conservative interlocutors, I know what the fuck I am talking about and my time is too important to waste tracking down what should be common knowledge.   When I say something is so, 99 times out of a hundred it is so.  So in the future I will not be wasting any more of my time researching to order.  Anyone who wants to challenge anything I say, go find a source and prove me wrong.  (Believe it or not, I'll thank you for it.)  Otherwise you can take what I say or leave it.

[sirs]

....Otherwise you can take what I say or leave it.

Given your endless double standard rationalization efforts & that your credibilty quotient has long been exhausted, that's an easy enough choice.

[Michael Tee]

<<Given your endless double standard rationalization efforts & that your credibilty quotient has long been exhausted, that's an easy enough choice.>>

Let me get this straight.  MY credibility quotient has been exhausted because when challenged I always back up what I said with sources.  YOUR credibility quotient, presumably, is unexhausted because when challenged you never can back up anything you say.

And that's because . . . ?

Oh, wait, I know.  It's <<your endless double standard rationalization efforts.>>  Gotcha.

[Amianthus]

when challenged I always back up what I said with sources.

ROFLMAO

Funniest thing I've heard in quite a while.

[sirs]

when challenged I always back up what I said with sources.

ROFLMAO

Funniest thing I've heard in quite a while.

Boy, ain't that the truth

[Michael Tee]

Well, I'm glad neither one of you found any humour at all in my allegation that sirs never could back up anything he said that I challenged.  So you're not being totally dishonest, which is a good start.

But I was wondering - - if I could interrupt your merriment for just a moment - - if you had any specific instance in mind where I actually failed to back up anything I was challenged on with facts? 

[sirs]

if I could interrupt your merriment for just a moment - - if you had any specific instance in mind where I actually failed to back up anything I was challenged on with facts? 

No facts to support any laundry list of Racist Republicans
No facts to support that the GOP caters to racists
No facts to support a current completely Racist South
No facts to back up widespread condoned abuse & torture at the hands of our military
Overwhelming facts & evidence to the contrary of Bush lied us into war

Gross innuendo and your say so, doesn't = facts, I'm afraid Tee.  Shall we go on?

[Amianthus]

But I was wondering - - if I could interrupt your merriment for just a moment - - if you had any specific instance in mind where I actually failed to back up anything I was challenged on with facts? 

Well, this one goes back a while, but it's based on solid physical science, so it should be easy to document.

Show how a standard McDonalds coffee cup can hold the pressure differential required to make a 190 degree sample of coffee "spontaneously boil."

Note: the calculated atmospheric differential required is approximately 350 millibars.

(This was one of your earlier "obviously" proofs.)

[Michael Tee]

No facts to support any laundry list of Racist Republicans
Oh? - - I gave a list with Reagan, Lott, Macacawitz, Thurmond, the Republican National Committee, with appropriate cites from magaines and other sources; how many guys does it take to make this a laundry list?  I never said I'd track down every single one.

No facts to support that the GOP caters to racists
Really?  My documented quote of Ken Mehlmann apologizing last year to the NAACP for the Southern Strategy means what?  He apologized for something that never happened?  He apologized to the NAACP for something that did not affect blacks?
No facts to support a current completely Racist South
Maybe that's because I never claimed the South was "completely" racist.  The switch from the Solid South to a Republican South after the adoption of the Southern Strategy (with the one exception of Jimmy Carter's victory, exlpainable by the fact that this was a Southern candidate) was fact enough for me.  Those racist Southerners who fought the Democratic Party's turn to racial equality sure as hell went somewhere when they left the Democratic Party, and I think the Republican successes and the disappearance of the Solid South explain exactly where they went.
No facts to back up widespread condoned abuse & torture at the hands of our military
Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, Baghram Base, other desert bases, multiple renditions, secret prisons . . . nah, that's not widespread.  It's comical - - EVERY time a new allegation of torture crops up, it's another "isolated case" of "bad apples" for which no heads ever roll.  A few low-ranking scapegoats get to serve a few years in the slammer and this is evidence of massive top-down condemnation.  Wow, man, get a grip!
Overwhelming facts & evidence to the contrary of Bush lied us into war
None of which exists - - he lied.  Said there were WMD which constituted immediate mortal danger to the US and none were found.  Said that Saddam had not accounted to the U.N. for all his WMD, and Saddam had.  He lied.  Plain and simple.  How can you deny that?

Gross innuendo and your say so, doesn't = facts, I'm afraid Tee. 

Of course not.  That's why I also supplied you with plenty of facts.

Shall we go on?

I could keep on embarrassing you with your lies and ineptitude all day, sirs, but I don't have the time, unfortunately.  I'm going to do you a favour and call it a day.  You are wasting my time.

[Amianthus]

I could keep on embarrassing you with your lies and ineptitude all day, Ami, but I don't have the time, unfortunately.  I'm going to do you a favour and call it a day.  You are wasting my time.

Since you were responding to sirs and not me, I guess you're the one who should be embarrassed.

[Plane]

But I was wondering - - if I could interrupt your merriment for just a moment - - if you had any specific instance in mind where I actually failed to back up anything I was challenged on with facts? 

Well, this one goes back a while, but it's based on solid physical science, so it should be easy to document.

Show how a standard McDonalds coffee cup can hold the pressure differential required to make a 190 degree sample of coffee "spontaneously boil."

Note: the calculated atmospheric differential required is approximately 350 millibars.




(This was one of your earlier "obviously" proofs.)

I remember that!

The pressure differential is not only many times the amount required to collapse a styrofoam cup , but it is in the negative direction as though it would be suddenly raised in altitude a lot. This is not likely to happen when a lid is placed on a cup.

There is an effect of superheating that MT might have been refering to but just didn't know the right term, see(http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave.asp)

A cup of water raised to very nearly boiling can boil seemingly spontainiously after you have quit heating it , therre are two ways to do this that I know of and you cant do either of them with a coffee maker.

Let me side with MT on one point though.

There is no cumpulsion to conduct reasearch , when it is done it is a volentary effort and stands as work done out of generosity.