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You're President, and you can control Congress
« on: September 25, 2008, 07:18:40 PM »
...now, what would you do to facilitate a getting out of the current Housing market/Lender induced economic mess??

1st off, no Tax payer monies to the lending institutions
2nd off, no socializing or Federal takeover of the Housing industry

Now, where can we go from there?
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: You're President, and you can control Congress
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2008, 08:48:11 PM »
...now, what would you do to facilitate a getting out of the current Housing market/Lender induced economic mess??

1st off, no Tax payer monies to the lending institutions
2nd off, no socializing or Federal takeover of the Housing industry

Now, where can we go from there?


Make a strong tax advantaged saveings account availible to the public.

The saveings intrest  rate would not be very much more than other institutions , but the tax advantages would be strong leverage.

Encourage the public to buy bonds or shares in the account , and use the resultant moneys to rebuild and back Fanny Mae.

Minimum requirements of loans Fannie can buy are changed mildly to reduce default rates .

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Re: You're President, and you can control Congress
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2008, 08:51:37 PM »
...now, what would you do to facilitate a getting out of the current Housing market/Lender induced economic mess??

1st off, no Tax payer monies to the lending institutions
2nd off, no socializing or Federal takeover of the Housing industry

Now, where can we go from there?

Clearly, it would have to be either a bailout of the American Public or a tax rebate of some kind.

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Re: You're President, and you can control Congress
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2008, 09:04:47 PM »
Let them all eat cake.

The greedy call the greedy greedy. <->

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Re: You're President, and you can control Congress
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2008, 09:42:08 PM »
...now, what would you do to facilitate a getting out of the current Housing market/Lender induced economic mess??

Clearly, it would have to be either a bailout of the American Public or a tax rebate of some kind.

Clarify please, since it's not so "clear" to me......Who specifically is getting "bailed out"?  Who's the tax rebates supposed to go to, & for what purpose?  How does this "fix" the source of the problem that brought about the economic debacle, in the 1st place?

I'm liking Plane's approach, so far
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Re: You're President, and you can control Congress
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2008, 09:46:19 PM »
Seriously though, here is how I would approach the situation:
I would...

1.)  ...order a study to be conducted on the whole situation by, not one, but 3 seperate panels of 3 economists each to understand the issue and what is involved in the whole situation.  I would give them three weeks to compile some kind of report of findings on the situation from the perspective of the homeowners, Wall Street and the law.  I would totally remove the political element of congress and the Fed, if that is even feasible.

2.) ...call for an immediate 3 month amnesty on mortgage loans that are in danger of foreclosure and already in foreclosure and freeze those situations.

3.) ...order congress to immediately begin formulating regulation for the financial sector with specifics for predatory lending, for buying and selling debt and totally re-habbing Freddie and Fannie.

4.) ...send a bill to congress for an immediate stimulus package for $3000 to any household making under something like $150,000 and no one else.  (Those making more than that number who are in mortgage trouble can make use of the 3 month amnesty to get their shit together.)

5.)  ...send a bill to congress ordering and funding all schools to start teaching home economics and civics as required courses starting fall 2009.



What has happened now is the Paulson and Benanke have played by the Bush/Cheney playbook and made the argument HOW MANY BILLIONS and WHEN?.  The discussion should be what's the issue and how does it affect everyone and what are the short term goals, then longterm goals and how can we make sure it never happens again?












(There is also the aspect of how to head this off in the future by creating more jobs, cutting taxes for those making less than $150,000, ending the Bush tax cuts, cutting out tax loopholes for corporations, getting America off its oil habit, stopping urban sprawl by offering tax breaks and grants (GRANTS) for those who buy homes in the inner city and for those who renovate homes in the inner city for re-sale and by creating a very large federal tax on any new broken ground, and if things went really well for the first couple of years, I'd cap salaries of CEO's like one of the sports leagues did on salaries and parachutes.)

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Re: You're President, and you can control Congress
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2008, 09:50:55 PM »
I have to leave in a few minutes, so I have no time for any substantive response, but I'll endeavor to look at this later, and see where we MIGHT be able to compromise, since off hand, I sure see alot of socialism built into the bottom rung of your proposals.  But I appreciate the effort.
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Re: You're President, and you can control Congress
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2008, 10:02:03 PM »
this is from James K. Galbraith

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/24/AR2008092403033.html


By James K. Galbraith
Thursday, September 25, 2008; Page A19

Now that all five big investment banks -- Bear Stearns, Merrill Lynch, Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley -- have disappeared or morphed into regular banks, a question arises.
 
Is this bailout still necessary?

The point of the bailout is to buy assets that are illiquid but not worthless. But regular banks hold assets like that all the time. They're called "loans."

With banks, runs occur only when depositors panic, because they fear the loan book is bad. Deposit insurance takes care of that. So why not eliminate the pointless $100,000 cap on federal deposit insurance and go take inventory? If a bank is solvent, money market funds would flow in, eliminating the need to insure those separately. If it isn't, the FDIC has the bridge bank facility to take care of that.

Next, put half a trillion dollars into the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. fund -- a cosmetic gesture -- and as much money into that agency and the FBI as is needed for examiners, auditors and investigators. Keep $200 billion or more in reserve, so the Treasury can recapitalize banks by buying preferred shares if necessary -- as Warren Buffett did this week with Goldman Sachs. Review the situation in three months, when Congress comes back. Hedge funds should be left on their own. You can't save everyone, and those investors aren't poor.

With this solution, the systemic financial threat should go away. Does that mean the economy would quickly recover? No. Sadly, it does not. Two vast economic problems will confront the next president immediately. First, the underlying housing crisis: There are too many houses out there, too many vacant or unsold, too many homeowners underwater. Credit will not start to flow, as some suggest, simply because the crisis is contained. There have to be borrowers, and there has to be collateral. There won't be enough.

In Texas, recovery from the 1980s oil bust took seven years and the pull of strong national economic growth. The present slump is national, and it can't be cured that way. But it could be resolved in three years, rather than 10, by a new Home Owners Loan Corp., which would rewrite mortgages, manage rental conversions and decide when vacant, degraded properties should be demolished. Set it up like a draft board in each community, under federal guidelines, and get to work.

The second great crisis is in state and local government. Just Tuesday, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg announced $1.5 billion in public spending cuts. The scenario is playing out everywhere: Schools, fire departments, police stations, parks, libraries and water projects are getting the ax, while essential maintenance gets deferred and important capital projects don't get built. This is pernicious when unemployment is rising and when we have all the real resources we need to preserve services and expand public investment. It's also unnecessary.

What to do? Reenact Richard Nixon's great idea: federal revenue sharing. States and localities should get the funds to plug their revenue gaps and maintain real public spending, per capita, for the next three to five years. Also, enact the National Infrastructure Bank, making bond revenue available in a revolving fund for capital improvements. There is work to do. There are people to do it. Bring them together. What could be easier or more sensible?

Here's another problem: the wealth loss to near-retirees and the elderly from a declining stock market as things shake out. How about taking care of this, with rough justice, through a supplement to Social Security? If you need a revenue source, impose a turnover tax on stocks.

Next, let's think about what the next upswing should try to achieve and how it should be powered. If the 1960s were about raising baby boomers and the '90s about technology, what should the '10s and '20s be about? It's obvious: energy and climate change. That's where the present great unmet needs are.

So, let's use the next few years to plan, mapping out a program of energy conservation, reconstruction and renewable power. Let's get the public sector and the universities working on it. And let's prepare the private sector so that when the credit crunch finally ends, we'll have the firms, the labs, the standards and the talent in place, ready to go.

Some will ask if we can afford it. To see the answer, don't look at budget projections. Just look at interest rates. Last week, in the panic, the federal government could fund itself, short term, for free. It could have raised money for 30 years and paid less than 4 percent. That's far less than it cost back in 2000.

No country in this situation is broke, or insolvent, or even in much trouble. For once, Wall Street's own markets speak the truth. The financially challenged customer isn't Uncle Sam. He's up on Wall Street, where deregulation, greed and fraud ran wild.

James K. Galbraith is the author of "The Predator State: How Conservatives Abandoned the Free Market and Why Liberals Should Too."

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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2008, 02:26:43 AM »
Galbraith is a very smart guy. He is always worth listening to.
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Re: You're President, and you can control Congress
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2008, 04:31:10 PM »
Abolish private property.
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Re: You're President, and you can control Congress
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2008, 04:38:35 PM »
Abolish private property.


  That is happening by accident , it is part of the crisis.

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Re: You're President, and you can control Congress
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2008, 04:44:58 PM »
Abolish private property.


  That is happening by accident , it is part of the crisis.

No, I don't think you understand.

Need credit to get a loan to get a home?


No. Abolish private property.

CEO's overpaid, while workers receive nothing from massive government settlement?


Nope. Abolish private property. From each according to his ability to each according to his need.
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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2008, 04:49:34 PM »
Communism.

Yeah. How many people do you plan on starving to death?

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Re: You're President, and you can control Congress
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2008, 04:54:10 PM »
Abolish private property.


  That is happening by accident , it is part of the crisis.

No, I don't think you understand.

Need credit to get a loan to get a home?


No. Abolish private property.

So who builds the houses?

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CEO's overpaid, while workers receive nothing from massive government settlement?


Nope. Abolish private property. From each according to his ability to each according to his need.

Some CEOs' are getting fired right now , wo is in charge of decideing what they can do and what they need?

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Re: You're President, and you can control Congress
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2008, 05:01:10 PM »
>>So who builds the houses?<<

Why you do of course. If you refuse, there's always the Gulag.