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Kramer

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Speaking of N. Korea
« on: May 29, 2010, 05:00:46 PM »
My prediction is NK will start a war.

Too bad we have the worst leader in history with the thinnest resume in charge right now. If anything Barry is paving the way for a war and pushing NK towards starting it. And I bet Barry will be happy for it because he will declare Martial Law and force himself upon us longer than he otherwise would be able to.

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Re: Speaking of N. Korea
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2010, 05:10:37 PM »
Not while we still have a functioning Constitution
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Re: Speaking of N. Korea
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2010, 05:37:45 PM »
Not while we still have a functioning Constitution

him and his judges wipe their asses daily with our constitution

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Re: Speaking of N. Korea
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2010, 05:43:19 PM »
What do you mean NK will start a war?


They have already fired on the South Koreans , kidnapped a lot of Japaneese  , violated the border with China.

What is lacking in acts of war?

They have already started , we just are in denyal .

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Re: Speaking of N. Korea
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2010, 05:58:18 PM »
What the media has omitted about North Korea is that the government elected in 2007 is headed by Lee Myung Bak. a former Hyundai CEO. In the Parliamentary elections of 2008, no party has a majority, but the Conservative GNP (Grand National Party) now has more seats than the UDP that ruled for ten years.

North Korean actions have far more to do with South Korea than they do with the USA. Lee ended a deal called the Sunshine Policy, which sought to smooth over problems between the North and the South. The Sunshine Policy was what caused UDP President Kim Dae Jung to win the Nobel Peace Prize in 2000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_Policy

Another important matter is that Kim Jong Il wants to put his son in charge, and wants to convince the NK Army and others who might oppose this that he and his son are capable of standing up to the South and its new less-moderate government.

The usual attitude of the US press is that Kim Jong Il is crazy and that nothing he does makes any sense, but this is not accurate. North Korea and Kim feel threatened by all the countries that surround them, and are afraid of being dominated by them. And there is the succession issue as well, which intensifies as Kim Jong Il's health declines.

North Korea will not start a war, because they would lose the country. The only way Kim feels he can maintain the status quo is through belligerence towards the South and its main ally, the US.

China, of course, has more influence over NK than any other nation. Kim knows that he cannot even partly win against the Chinese and they cannot be threatened.

This is a game of chess. It is very unlikely there will actually be a war.
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Re: Speaking of N. Korea
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2010, 06:53:41 PM »
What the media has omitted about North Korea is that the government elected in 2007 is headed by Lee Myung Bak. a former Hyundai CEO. In the Parliamentary elections of 2008, no party has a majority, but the Conservative GNP (Grand National Party) now has more seats than the UDP that ruled for ten years.

North Korean actions have far more to do with South Korea than they do with the USA. Lee ended a deal called the Sunshine Policy, which sought to smooth over problems between the North and the South. The Sunshine Policy was what caused UDP President Kim Dae Jung to win the Nobel Peace Prize in 2000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_Policy

Another important matter is that Kim Jong Il wants to put his son in charge, and wants to convince the NK Army and others who might oppose this that he and his son are capable of standing up to the South and its new less-moderate government.

The usual attitude of the US press is that Kim Jong Il is crazy and that nothing he does makes any sense, but this is not accurate. North Korea and Kim feel threatened by all the countries that surround them, and are afraid of being dominated by them. And there is the succession issue as well, which intensifies as Kim Jong Il's health declines.

North Korea will not start a war, because they would lose the country. The only way Kim feels he can maintain the status quo is through belligerence towards the South and its main ally, the US.

China, of course, has more influence over NK than any other nation. Kim knows that he cannot even partly win against the Chinese and they cannot be threatened.

This is a game of chess. It is very unlikely there will actually be a war.

maybe you should massage Hillery's feet and whilst doing so get her up to speed on the ways of the world and while you are at it give your boy Barry a lesson as well.

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Re: Speaking of N. Korea
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2010, 08:53:26 PM »
I am pretty sure that Hillary and Obama are a lot better informed than I am, and about 1000 times better informed than you will ever be.
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Re: Speaking of N. Korea
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2010, 10:29:14 PM »
I am pretty sure that Hillary and Obama are a lot better informed than I am, and about 1000 times better informed than you will ever be.

so what excuses do they have for f#@cking up the the situation?

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Re: Speaking of N. Korea
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2010, 11:35:40 PM »
Nobody describing the incident emphasizes that it occurred when a fleet of U.S. and South Korean warships came very close to a North Korean island during "exercises."

In other words, this was a clear-cut provocation.  Only they chose to provoke the wrong people. 

Fuck with the bull and you get the horn.  South Korea got the horn.

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Re: Speaking of N. Korea
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2010, 02:03:14 AM »
Nobody describing the incident emphasizes that it occurred when a fleet of U.S. and South Korean warships came very close to a North Korean island during "exercises."

In other words, this was a clear-cut provocation.  Only they chose to provoke the wrong people. 

Fuck with the bull and you get the horn.  South Korea got the horn.

people are starving in NK and you call them the bull?

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Re: Speaking of N. Korea
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2010, 09:41:01 AM »
<<people are starving in NK and you call them the bull?>>

I was referring only to their state of military preparedness.

Really starving or on the edge of starvation or something else entirely?  I don't know for sure and it's a story I sure as hell don't trust the corporate MSM in the US to report on accurately anyway.

It's possible they fucked up badly and can't straighten themselves out - - that's one of the problems with giving absolute power to the rulers, you can't always replace the incompetent or corrupt when they need to be replaced.  A major problem of communism which the communists have yet to resolve.  Still, it does not happen in many communist regimes.  Famine is much more prevalent in the West's puppet states in Africa than it is in North Korea. 

It's also possible the MSM here have exaggerated a problem of what is essentially nothing more than belt-tightening so as to afford the means of self-defence against U.S. imperialism and blown the whole thing into a "famine." 

I exclude neither possibility.  After all, China's right on the border - - how the hell would the Chinese allow mass famine in their neighbouring country?

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Re: Speaking of N. Korea
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2010, 11:54:09 AM »
The sinking of one patrol boat hardly seems provocative enough for begin a war and it won't. This is simple sable rattlnig from all parties involved. The government of NK might begin a war by staging "an incident" if The Leader feels his succession is not assured. After all, war against a common foe usually works, at least in the beginning.

The larger question is what will it take to bring NK into being a congenial player on the world scene, if that is either desirable or possible.

For exampl,e is it even possible now to reunify the two nations? Or should anyone bother trying?
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Re: Speaking of N. Korea
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2010, 12:37:20 PM »
<<The larger question is what will it take to bring NK into being a congenial player on the world scene, if that is either desirable or possible.>>

I look at this in the larger context of China vs U.S.A.  The Chinese "need" a "mad dog" that only they can "restrain."  It's useful at times for the Chinese to have a card like that in their hand.  It's also of some value in reining in the Japanese.  North and South Koreans hate the Japs for a variety of very good reasons.  A nuclear-armed Korea, even if it's only the North half, has to make a lot of Japanese nervous.  Nobody in North OR South Korea would ever shed a tear if all of Japan were to be suddenly turned into a glass-topped parking lot.  What if they piss off China to the point that China loosens its restraining grip on the North Koreans?  So I don't think anyone is ever going to turn NK into a "congenial player," not as long as the Chinese have an important asset in their "mad dog" client.

<<For exampl,e is it even possible now to reunify the two nations? Or should anyone bother trying?>>

I wouldn't think so in the near future, no.  Long-run, of course, it's inevitable.  But as someone else once pointed out about the long run, "In the long run, we're all dead."

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Re: Speaking of N. Korea
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2010, 12:38:51 PM »
start a war?

I was in the impression it nerver really ended. it`s was actually in a state of a prolong seize fire. no peace agreement was ever made.

hmm, is this like a asian version of palistine/isreral?
quite afew parallels

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Re: Speaking of N. Korea
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2010, 01:48:53 PM »
Kimba is right. of course: officially, there is only a truce, the Korean War never actually ended.

Eventually, Korea will be united, but of course, because the North is a poor Third-World country and its people entirely ignorant of the way life in a modern capitalist society works, they would be lowly peons in the new, united Korea. The South is clearly a first-world industrial country, the Northerners would be a supply of not necessarily useful manual labor. So far, the main contribution of North Korea to the World economy is the sale of the human hair of its women, which is sold in bulk to the South, then packaged and marketed by Koreans in Korea and all around the world. No flea market in America does not have dozens of Koreans selling hair to Black women and others.

The leaders of North Korea, not just Kim and his clan, realize that there will be no place for them in the new united Korea. They are entirely unprepared to be united Koreans. At least East Germany had industry, but many of the Osties of the old DDR were impoverished and confused drifters for many years. This is not to say that eventually, all Koreans would benefit from unification. But it will be a process that will take at least twenty years. If one is an old fart in the North Korean politburo, that is beyond their expected lifespan.

The sinking of the South Korean boat was a message that, in the absence of th4e "Sunshine Policy" of the previous Korean government, the North was not going to allow itself to be pushed around.
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