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Re: Debate
« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2011, 05:02:23 PM »
at this juncture
i like Mitt's chances as the best chance to beat Obama
that's really what Republicans should base their decision on
who in the field of Republicans running....stands the best chance to beat Obama
if you agree with John Doe on 10 out 10 issues, but he cant win in Nov
whats the point?
I'd rather nominate a 70% I agree with winner in Nov
than a candidate I agree with 100% that cant win in Nov
I like everyone running on the Republican side
but lets be honest....most of them could not win in Nov
once the media/unions/leeches all get behind Obama
it's gonna be a tight race....
too many leeches wont want their gravy train ended
lets nominate a winner....Mitt and maybe Perry are the only winners at this point.





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Re: Debate
« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2011, 05:08:58 PM »
When Cain fails to get the nomination, I will tell you that you were wrong.

Also when he fails to become president.

He doesn't have the support in the GOP. He has not
"paid his dues", which is a big deal for them. And, of course, running Cain against Obama would surely bring a White third party candidate out to confound the election. Cain could not get any 50%

No you are wrong, as usual, when you said Cain has a better chance of visiting Jupiter. The odds are better that he stays on earth and becomes the R nominee and wins the election.

Obama has a better chance of visiting Jupiter than being reelected in 2012.

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« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2011, 05:13:56 PM »
There is a 99.99% chance that Cain will neither be nominated nor visit Jupiter.


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Re: Debate
« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2011, 05:45:41 PM »
There is a 99.99% chance that Cain will neither be nominated nor visit Jupiter.

Nope, there's 100% chance he won't visit Jupiter. I'd say it's a 30% chance he wins the R nomination, but if he does then it will be 97% that he beats Obama, and if it turns out to be Clinton then the number drops to 86%.

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« Reply #34 on: August 16, 2011, 09:39:22 AM »

He doesn't have the support in the GOP. ..................... And, of course, running Cain against Obama would surely bring a White third party candidate out .....................



    How do you have such a certanty of the racist Point of view, or such a fine measure of the party you agree with least?

     Both partys are headed by pragmatists, who any day now will realise that Black canadates have a recent history of drawing over 90% of the black vote. Since White guys will vote for anybody, why should anyone try to run a ticket without this advantage?

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« Reply #35 on: August 16, 2011, 11:10:36 AM »

He doesn't have the support in the GOP. ..................... And, of course, running Cain against Obama would surely bring a White third party candidate out .....................



    How do you have such a certanty of the racist Point of view, or such a fine measure of the party you agree with least?

     Both partys are headed by pragmatists, who any day now will realise that Black canadates have a recent history of drawing over 90% of the black vote. Since White guys will vote for anybody, why should anyone try to run a ticket without this advantage?

good luck on getting a logical answer to that question.

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« Reply #36 on: August 16, 2011, 12:09:13 PM »
Since White guys will vote for anybody, why should anyone try to run a ticket without this advantage?

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Not all White guys will "vote for anybody".

If the primary assumption is wrong, all conclusions drawn from it will be wrong. Cain being Black is not an advantage. Neither is Cain being a pompous old windbag capable of only spouting platitudes and jingoistic nonsense.
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« Reply #37 on: August 16, 2011, 01:29:57 PM »
Since White guys will vote for anybody, why should anyone try to run a ticket without this advantage?

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Not all White guys will "vote for anybody".

If the primary assumption is wrong, all conclusions drawn from it will be wrong. Cain being Black is not an advantage. Neither is Cain being a pompous old windbag capable of only spouting platitudes and jingoistic nonsense.

Cains accomplishments, compared to Obama, speak volumes. Considering Obama's only real accomplishment is getting elected to something. After the election ends he can't deliver. What did Obama do before becoming a professional politician? Nothing to write home about, nothing to brag about, and nothing that is noteworthy. If Obama wasn't propped up by the press and wealthy influential people what would he be doing right now? Would he be qualified to run a Taco Bell or a Payless Shoe store, NOPE! Obama is proof that an imbecile can be president and they can do it at a piss poor level.

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Re: Debate
« Reply #38 on: August 16, 2011, 02:02:41 PM »
XO is just down on Cain because he is black.


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Re: Debate
« Reply #39 on: August 16, 2011, 02:19:43 PM »
XO is just down on Cain because he is black.

I think you are correct.

XO (and liberals) looked at Obama (in the 2008 election) as the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. And 'light-skinned' and had 'no Negro dialect.'

But Cain, on the other hand, isn't at all like Obama; he's darker and speaks with negro dialect so people like XO can't imagine voting for a guy like Cain. Cain is just too negro to be president...sad but that is the liberal mindset.

Same liberal mindset as black people can't make it without the government either subsidizing them or giving them Affirmative Action -- very very racist! and SAD!

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« Reply #40 on: August 16, 2011, 02:41:27 PM »
Cain may know how to run a third-class Pizza chain. He is remarkably ignorant of world affairs.

He will not be a candidate in 2012. By 2016, he will be too old. But the GOP is not giving him the nomination, as you will see.
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« Reply #41 on: August 16, 2011, 02:59:21 PM »
Cain may know how to run a third-class Pizza chain. He is remarkably ignorant of world affairs.

He will not be a candidate in 2012. By 2016, he will be too old. But the GOP is not giving him the nomination, as you will see.

So not only are you a racist but into age discrimination too. Boy do you fit the mold of a liberal. XO the cookie cutter liberal.

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« Reply #42 on: August 16, 2011, 04:21:21 PM »
Cain may know how to run a third-class Pizza chain. He is remarkably ignorant of world affairs.



    I am starting to get tired of a president that counts his popularity with all the rest of the world.

       A president more concerned with the US would be a plus to me, even moreso if he doesn't discount citizenship in "flyover country".


   By the way from what evidence do you gain the insight that Herman is ignorant on any particular?

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« Reply #43 on: August 16, 2011, 04:32:51 PM »
By the way from what evidence do you gain the insight that Herman is ignorant on any particular?

I think he's just an expert on ignorance; after all, he voted for Obama and said he will do it again in 2012.

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« Reply #44 on: August 16, 2011, 04:34:07 PM »
Herman Cain’s peculiar politics

 
by: Ryan C. Ebersole
July 25 2011

tags: ultra right, Republicans, elections, GOP, op-ed
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Besides being the only minority in the GOP presidential field, Herman Cain also stands out from his competitors in another way: his lack of political experience, which Cain cites as an advantage. In fact, although he is relatively new to the public, he has been involved in national politics since at least 1996.

Cain's background seems to be consistent with the "American Dream." The son of a maid and a chauffeur, he graduated from Purdue with a Master's in Computer Science and worked for the Navy before moving on to Coca-Cola as a business analyst. After working as an executive for Burger King, he was appointed president of Godfather's Pizza, a Pillsbury subsidiary. Under Cain, Godfather's Pizza was so profitable that he was able to buy it from Pillsbury.

In 1996 he became CEO of the National Restaurant Association, a lobbying group. That same year, he served as senior economic advisor to Bob Dole's presidential campaign. Cain also briefly ran for the GOP presidential nomination in 2000, and in 2004, for a Senate seat in Georgia. During this time he also served as a commentator for Fox Business and hosted his own radio show in Atlanta.

However, it is his current presidential attempt that is the most newsworthy. In December 2010, he was the surprise winner of a poll on the conservative website redstate.com. He was also declared the winner of the Fox News GOP primary debate in New Hampshire by a poll of a sample of the audience.

Perhaps in an effort to show off  his conservative potential, Cain has made a string of controversial comments.

Among the most controversial are his statements about Muslims. He has voiced concerns about "creeping" sharia law, and has said he would not be comfortable appointing Muslims to his administration. When pressed at the New Hampshire debate, he conceded that he might appoint a Muslim, but he or she would be held to higher loyalty standards than other appointees. He claimed this is not "bigoted, it is called being careful and cautious" to keep "jihadists" out of the government.

Cain even got involved in the recent Murfreesboro, Tenn., anti-Mosque hysteria. He proclaimed that communities "have a right" to ban mosques, adding that such a ban doesn't violate the separation of church and state because "Islam combines church and state."

Cain says he wouldn't have a problem appointing an openly gay person, because they wouldn't try to "impose sharia law." However, as he has previously described being gay as "sinful" and a "choice," the openness seems more theoretical than actual - especially in light of rumors that his campaign has been purging gay staffers.

Cain has applied a similar mix of confusion and ignorance to his foreign policy as well. He has said he doesn't know enough about Afghanistan to voice an opinion, but he certainly has plenty to say on Israel. His "Cain Doctrine" is "You mess with Israel; you are messing with the United States." During a Fox News interview with Chris Wallace, Cain was asked whether he supported the right of displaced Palestinians to return to Israel. Appearing to have no idea what Wallace was talking about, he responded that he supported it because he felt Israel would have no problem with it - showing profound ignorance of Israel's long-standing hostility to the "right of return."

And how would Cain solve the problem of illegal immigration? He wants to emulate the Great Wall of China on our southern border. Cain's wall would be a "20-foot wall, barbed wire, electrified on the top" with a "moat" on the other side. And yes, Cain would "put those alligators in that moat!"

Cain would put oil and coal companies in charge of EPA regulations. He says he would create a special "regulatory reduction commission" to cut down environmental regulations, and would appoint industry insiders, including the CEO of Shell because Shell has been "abused" by the EPA.

Back when Donald Trump was promoting "birtherism," Cain was on board with that. During a March interview with a Florida conservative group, the Shark Tank, Cain said Trump's birth certificate allegations against President Obama weren't "off base" and that he hadn't studied the issue enough to have an opinion, but that Obama should "prove he was born in the United States of America."

In fact Cain believes that Obama was "raised in Kenya." Perhaps he has been misled by his fellow Fox employee, Mike Huckabee, who claimed that Obama witnessed the Kenyan Mau Mau revolution.

In light of all of this, perhaps it isn't surprising that Cain opposes the minimum wage, wants to defund Planned Parenthood and privatize Medicare, and believes Social Security is a "scam."

So what's next for this CEO-turned-lobbyist-turned-alligator-in-moat-enthusiast? Probably not the White House.
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