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[Rich]

A lot of those people you mentioned were also fascists.

Big fans of Mussolini.

Who else were socialists .... Hitler, Gerbels, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao ...

[The_Professor]

>>Canada is a great nation ... <<

A once great nation, and hopefully will be in the future. I know lot's of Canadians, and none of them are Communists. In fact, they all dislike Canadian healthcare. Communists are pariah, nobody takes a communist seriously, nor should they.

All kinds of horrible people were socialists.

Albert Einstein
Martin Luther King Jr.
Clement Attlee
Golda Meier
Willy Brandt
Ernest Bevin
Keir Hardie
H.G. Wells
Ernest Hemingway
W.B. Yeats
The Hashomer Hatzair, without whom your state of Israel would likely not exist

It is a good thing no one ever takes socialism seriously, huh?

 

Doesn't mean their view was correct, however.

[Xavier_Onassis]

There are no politically "correct" views. People make a decision on how to run their country, and are satisfied or dissatisfied with the results.  China was a disaster from the times of the Empress Dowager at the turn of the Century until Mao. Mao was also a disaster, but starting in the late 1970's, the government gradually managed to learn from its mistakes and the economy turned around. Lately, the PRC has had a growth rate of over 9% for over a decade. This has never happened in the US or any European nation. Not even the glorious "Conservatism" has ever come close.

There are tradeoffs, especially pollution and a lack of workers' rights, but the results cannot be denied.

[yellow_crane]

>>Canada is a great nation ... <<

A once great nation, and hopefully will be in the future. I know lot's of Canadians, and none of them are Communists. In fact, they all dislike Canadian healthcare. Communists are pariah, nobody takes a communist seriously, nor should they.

All kinds of horrible people were socialists.

Albert Einstein
Martin Luther King Jr.
Clement Attlee
Golda Meier
Willy Brandt
Ernest Bevin
Keir Hardie
H.G. Wells
Ernest Hemingway
W.B. Yeats
The Hashomer Hatzair, without whom your state of Israel would likely not exist

It is a good thing no one ever takes socialism seriously, huh?

 

Doesn't mean their view was correct, however.

According to George Orwell, W. B. Yeats was a fascist.

Yeats was certainly an elitist.

I cannot see socialist, because calling a socialist a fascist is contradictory.

[_JS]

I could be wrong about Yeats, still not a bad list.

Add in:

Nelson Mandela
Salvador Allende
George Orwell

[_JS]

A lot of those people you mentioned were also fascists.

Big fans of Mussolini.

Who else were socialists .... Hitler, Gerbels, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao ...

Hitler and Goebbels were of course not socialists. They denied the class struggle and fought for corporatism. They were true Fascists.

Many people admired Mussolini when he first came to power. He had done something that many thought impossible. He united the disparate right wing of Italian politics. By doing so he provided a front against the socialists and especially Marxists, which many people had thought impossible. His greatest admirer, Hitler, said it best:

I conceived the profoundest admiration for the great man south of the Alps, who, full of ardent love for his people, made no pacts with the enemies of Italy, but strove for their annihilation by all ways and means. What will rank Mussolini among the great men of this earth is his determination not to share Italy with the Marxists, but to destroy internationalism and save the fatherland from it.

Notice where the admiration lies, both with fighting the left and in not negotiating with "the enemy."

[Rich]

>>Hitler and Goebbels were of course not socialists. They denied the class struggle and fought for corporatism. They were true Fascists.<<

A common misconception, especially by liberals/communists.

[Michael Tee]

<<A common misconception, [that Hitler and Goebbels were not socialists] especially by liberals/communists.>>

Are you unable to read English?  Or just an imbecile?  It was just pointed out to you in the last post,  in black and white, the words of Hitler praising Mussolini for his uncompromising stand against Marxism.  His determination to destroy it.

[Rich]

Uncle Mike, take a deep breath, get hold of your seathing hatred, and pay closer attention.

Here it goes: National SOCIALIST Party = Nazi Party. I'm sure this has been pointed out to you before.

I know it's asking you to step out of your little pink box, but you really need to expand your horizons and read something other than Moa's Little Red Book.

[Michael Tee]

<<Here it goes: National SOCIALIST Party = Nazi Party. I'm sure this has been pointed out to you before.>>

What's in a name?  You might find certain "Benevolent Societies" are nothing but Mafia fronts.  Nothing at all "benevolent" about them.  "Progressive Labour" as the name of a leftist political party - - would you agree that they are "progressive" just because that's what their name says?

Thank you for your advice that I expand my reading horizons.  That's always good advice, and I'm never to proud to accept good advice.  Here's a little advice for you in return:  you too should expand YOUR reading horizons.  If you did, you might learn that Hitler was not the founder of the German Nazi Party.  Anton Drexler and others were.  Anton Drexler and his associates founded the Deutsche Arbeiterpartei   (the DAP) whose translated name is German Workers' Party.  Adolf Hitler was an early joiner who took over the party and changed its name to Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP) translated as National Socialist German Workers' Party.

Why did Hitler want the word "Socialist" in his party's name?  Because socialism was selling like hotcakes to the German workers.  It was a socialist and Marxist German workers' movement that overthrew the government of the day in 1918, forcing the Kaiser to abdicate and go into exile, effectively ending the war.  Communists almost took over the Prussian government in the chaos that followed.  The Communist Party influence was growing every day, mostly in the working class.  "Socialist" was a BRAND name that Hitler needed in order to attract workers to his party.

Apart from the name itself, which is meaningless - - deceptive advertising, actually, the key to Hitler's political success - -  you have absolutely nothing to back up your absurd claim that Hitler was a socialist.  You could see for yourself that his first actions once in power were to liquidate the socialist movement even before he turned to the Jews.  He told the world that Mussolini was a great man because he was out to crush Marxism in Italy.  But you stay fixated on the name.  It fooled only those German workers who were dumb enough to take the Nazi party as the real (socialist) thing, which is understandable, but it's amazing that the name can still fool morons like you, almost 63 years after the whole fraudulent enterprise blew apart. 

[yellow_crane]

I could be wrong about Yeats, still not a bad list.

Add in:

Nelson Mandela
Salvador Allende
George Orwell

"Nationalism is not to be confused with patriotism.  Both words are normally used in so vague a way that any definition is liable to be challenged, but one must draw a distinction between them, since two different and even opposing ideal are involved.  By 'patriotism' I mean devotion to a particular place and a particular way of life, which one believes is the best in the world but has no wish to force upon other people.  Patriotism is by its nature defensive, both militarily and culturally.  Nationalism, on the other hand, is inseparable from the desire for power.  The abiding purpose of every nationalist is to secure more power and more prestige, NOT for himself, but for the nation or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own identity."

- - -

"Nationalism, in the extended sense in which I am using the word, include such movements and tendencies as Communism, political Catholicism, Zionism, AntiSemitism, Trotskyism, and Pacificism."   

---George Orwell

http://www.george-orwell.org/Notes_on_Nationalism/0.html

[_JS]

Uncle Mike, take a deep breath, get hold of your seathing hatred, and pay closer attention.

Here it goes: National SOCIALIST Party = Nazi Party. I'm sure this has been pointed out to you before.

I know it's asking you to step out of your little pink box, but you really need to expand your horizons and read something other than Moa's Little Red Book.

Wow. I kind of expected something a little more than that.

A good example of this is Portugal's current Partido Social Democrata or Social Democratic Party. The name is misleading as the party itself is a center-right party that in no way advocates socialism or social democracy. When the delegates of the PSD meet in the EU Parliament, they sit with the conservative parties, such as the Christian Democrats.

[Amianthus]

A good example of this is Portugal's current Partido Social Democrata or Social Democratic Party. The name is misleading as the party itself is a center-right party that in no way advocates socialism or social democracy.

Well, it was founded as a Social Democrat party, and most political parties bearing that name advocate Democratic Socialism.

[_JS]

A good example of this is Portugal's current Partido Social Democrata or Social Democratic Party. The name is misleading as the party itself is a center-right party that in no way advocates socialism or social democracy.

Well, it was founded as a Social Democrat party, and most political parties bearing that name advocate Democratic Socialism.

Yes, but it does not - hence my point.

[Rich]

There's really no point in belaboring the socialism in the Nazi party. The left has created their own meaning to the word in order to cover their fascist origins.

This isn't to say the modern American socialist is a fascist in the same manner as the National Socialist Party was in Germany. But they are fascist in their motivation and inclination.