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Re: A Republican describes in only14 words what is wrong with his Party
« Reply #30 on: August 27, 2015, 07:16:25 PM »
  Brazil is a smaller government, and has a recent history of being quite effective, efficient and improved over their own history.

     They had a good selection of aircraft offered to them and they did due diligence for a long enough time to make a good choice.

   http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/brazil-embarking-upon-f-x2-fighter-program-04179/

   
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December 2013, Brazil came to the conclusion that Sweden’s JAS-39E/F Gripen was their best choice. A contract for 36 aircraft was signed in October 2014, and Brazil’s air force (FAB) has confirmed that their eventual goal is 108 fighters in 3 tranches. Another 24 aircraft could end up serving in Brazil’s navy, as carrier-borne fighters.......

....a high-performance fighter whose price and operating costs are both low. Gripen is likely to be Brazil’s cheapest option over its service life; ..................


The competition under consideration,
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Boeing’s F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet, Dassault’s Rafale, EADS’ Eurofighter, Lockheed Martin’s F-16 Block 60, Saab’s JAS-39 Gripen NG, and Sukhoi’s SU-35.

The FAB was also said to be interested in the Lockheed-Martin F-35, but .....

The counting of the cost
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The JAS-39NG reportedly ranked 1st in the FAB’s technical trials, had strong support from Brazilian aerospace firms, and offered a complete package worth about $6 billion (about 10 billion Reals),...
.....paid off in a 36-plane order that secured the Griipen NG’s future..
  $ 6,000,000,000/36=$166,666,666 each.

    These are of course, quite rough numbers.

    But I think it illustrates that the kind of aircraft one might buy with ten million each , would not be in the league that it would need to be.

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Re: A Republican describes in only14 words what is wrong with his Party
« Reply #31 on: August 27, 2015, 09:04:49 PM »
Brazil has not fought a war against anyone since 1871. They were officially allies in WWII, but did little fighting.

Brazil needs military aircraft mostly for ornamental purposes. It has no enemies. It has no serious boundary disputes. It produces nearly everything it needs. The big problem is now and has always been that the Brazilian economy fluctuates severely with the price of commodities, currently sugar, soybeans and coffee

Brazil has far more corruption in its government than the US, but it is true that they have improved greatly since the right wing and the military are no longer running the country. Currently they are experiencing an economic slump, and the president is quite unpopular.

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Re: A Republican describes in only14 words what is wrong with his Party
« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2015, 04:49:35 AM »
Brazil has not fought a war against anyone since 1871. They were officially allies in WWII, but did little fighting.

Brazil needs military aircraft mostly for ornamental purposes.


      I am pointing out that even with a smaller need , there is no good buy at ten million each.

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Re: A Republican describes in only14 words what is wrong with his Party
« Reply #33 on: August 28, 2015, 09:32:32 AM »
Again, Brazil has no real need of any high tech air force. It might need some drones and light aircraft to patrol the borders for smuggling, but most smuggling routes go through Ciudad del Este at Iguazú. 

One $35 million dollar aircraft crashes and there goes money that could educate hundreds.  I bet they are planning to use these super expensive things for Blue Angels and other flying circus promotions, where they will be defending no one from anything.
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Re: A Republican describes in only14 words what is wrong with his Party
« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2015, 08:06:46 PM »
Brazil has not fought Argentina since the 1840's, when they decided to stop fighting and allow Uruguay to be a buffer state.

Brazil and Argentina have usually had pretty cordial relations. Occasionally Chile and Argentina have minor spats, but never a war.

South Americasn have not fought each other since the Chaco War between Bolivia and Paraguay in the late 30's. There was the Falklands War with the UK, started by the Dictator Videla to stay in power, who was de4ated by the UK, so Thatcher could stay in power. Videla was thrown out as a result. In 2003, Falklands veterans were still haunting  provincial capital buildings in Corrientes.
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Re: A Republican describes in only14 words what is wrong with his Party
« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2015, 08:35:50 PM »
  Robert Frost thinks that good fences make good neighbors.

   Is it a good idea to have prepared a realistic defense?
   
    Should Cuba, for example, keep the resources ready to repel invaders?

 

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Re: A Republican describes in only14 words what is wrong with his Party
« Reply #37 on: August 30, 2015, 03:08:06 PM »
Good fences in New England and borders between countries are not the same thing at all. This is a very poor analogy.
Read the poem and you will understand what he was talking about and how it does not apply to countries.

Cuba does have an army and a navy, and it has repelled invaders with them during the Bay of Pigs fiasco.

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Re: A Republican describes in only14 words what is wrong with his Party
« Reply #38 on: August 30, 2015, 05:06:48 PM »


Cuba does have an army and a navy, and it has repelled invaders with them during the Bay of Pigs fiasco.

Yes , what a dumb thing to do.