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Re: California judge says no to homeschooling
« Reply #285 on: March 25, 2008, 02:37:16 PM »

Teachers here do not make $40,000, and the average house costs well over $300K.


Amianthus' post indicates otherwise.


$40,000 might be a princely sum in whatever podunk place you live in, but life in any city costs a lot more than that.


A lot more than $40,000? Well, I guess it could, and I'm sure in places like New York City it does. But teachers there are also paid more on average, I'm pretty sure.


Your opinion is that they should be banned from paying union dues (as if $300 a year is enough to buy a house with) and the teachers unions should be powerless to assist the teachers in making a decent salary.


The hell it is. You're just making up nonsense. I have not once said teachers should be banned from paying anything or that teachers unions should be powerless.


You have no such right, and should be given no such right.


Here's a clue: I don't want that "right". What I wish I could do is stop teachers' unions from being part of the problem. I wish I could somehow give a speech that turned them all around into supporters for school vouchers and school competition and focusing on finding the right education for each child. But I can't.
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Re: California judge says no to homeschooling
« Reply #286 on: March 25, 2008, 02:54:46 PM »
"Recently, the School Board gave a raise, and then hit the teachers with a huge increase in what they had to pay for their healthcare and copays."



Those increases have hit our system as well, Xavier. The "raise" ends up being a clutch for scraps.

And, teaching assistants (EA's) get hit even harder each year.

They work so hard right along side the teachers. As it is, educational assistants are used as substitutes when the "Sub Well" dries up. 

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Re: California judge says no to homeschooling
« Reply #287 on: March 25, 2008, 02:56:49 PM »
Those increases have hit our system as well, Xavier. The "raise" ends up being a clutch for scraps.

Can you name any business where employee health care costs have not risen?
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Re: California judge says no to homeschooling
« Reply #288 on: March 25, 2008, 03:06:11 PM »
The war was not supposed to be a WAR as we see it. Bush promised in and out quick feet....sweet tweet...
instead..we have an occupation and blood all over the place for what?


Actually, Bush said that it was going to be a long war. Just because many did not listen, does not mean he didn't say it.

I guess we can consider Miss Cynthia.... "leveled"      ???
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Re: California judge says no to homeschooling
« Reply #289 on: March 25, 2008, 03:18:32 PM »
health insurance is a tricky thing
people think businesses pay for the insurance and the co-pay is the only thing that needs payment.
but legally companies don`t have to pay insurance so alot of people pay for it thought their company plan .
ex. pitney bowes employees pay over 110% of thier insurance till they work enough years for the company to be worth it for the company to cover it
I know because I used to work for them

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Re: California judge says no to homeschooling
« Reply #290 on: March 25, 2008, 03:26:07 PM »
ex. pitney bowes employees pay over 110% of thier insurance till they work enough years for the company to be worth it for the company to cover it
I know because I used to work for them

Explain why anyone would pay more to the company for insurance than if they could get it themselves cheaper?
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Re: California judge says no to homeschooling
« Reply #291 on: March 25, 2008, 04:02:03 PM »
Can you name any business where employee health care costs have not risen?

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Naturally, the fact that everyone is getting screwed royally means that it is somehow fair.

Fair like an earthquake or hurricane is fair.
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Re: California judge says no to homeschooling
« Reply #292 on: March 25, 2008, 04:03:57 PM »
Naturally, the fact that everyone is getting screwed royally means that it is somehow fair.

Fair like an earthquake or hurricane is fair.

So, do you think that health care workers do not deserve periodic raises? Should they be required to work for you for free?
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Re: California judge says no to homeschooling
« Reply #293 on: March 25, 2008, 04:32:30 PM »
well at the time my company was taken over by pitney bowes so my benefits change accordingly .
but the answer would be most folks don`t have that much of a choice if they want to work for that company or to get insurance with a pre-existing condition.
I quit when it happenned
I just got a raise and was actually losing money
my boss told me she got hired for higher pay but got less take home pay so after a year she quit also.
pitney bowes is a revolving door
I`ve yet hear good things about it .

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Re: California judge says no to homeschooling
« Reply #294 on: March 25, 2008, 04:50:03 PM »
but the answer would be most folks don`t have that much of a choice if they want to work for that company or to get insurance with a pre-existing condition.

You are not required to get your health insurance through your employer.

And California (as well as most states) has laws requiring health insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions.
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Re: California judge says no to homeschooling
« Reply #295 on: March 25, 2008, 04:51:31 PM »
And California (as well as most states) has laws requiring health insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions.

Sorry, that's a lie.

It's a Federal law so it applies in all states.
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Re: California judge says no to homeschooling
« Reply #296 on: March 25, 2008, 05:04:06 PM »
I`m not saying required
but it really makes things easier to have then through your job
and insurance didn`t really deny people with pre-existing conditions
they just charge them alot more.
when your making just 22k/year
those factors are really noticeable
note I said I quit that job and my boss also
some companies have high turn-overs and never really understand why this is happenning and never change to fix it for decades
ex. pillbury,madison&sutro
for decades they had a extremely high turnover
only 5 years ago they figured this is costing them money in the fact they are having trouble getting new hires.
attorneys flinch when I said I used to work for them.

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Re: California judge says no to homeschooling
« Reply #297 on: March 25, 2008, 05:12:21 PM »
I`m not saying required
but it really makes things easier to have then through your job

Not if they're charging you more than the insurance costs them. And I'm pretty sure that's illegal anyway.

and insurance didn`t really deny people with pre-existing conditions
they just charge them alot more.

That's illegal as well for group coverage.
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Re: California judge says no to homeschooling
« Reply #298 on: March 25, 2008, 05:23:31 PM »
So, do you think that health care workers do not deserve periodic raises? Should they be required to work for you for free?
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That is not the point.

The percentage of health insurance of most people's salaries have risen MUCH FASTER than the salaries.

The copayments have also gone up and up.

This extra money is not going to the workers...they are not making enough th keep up with their health care insurance, either.
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Re: California judge says no to homeschooling
« Reply #299 on: March 25, 2008, 05:46:34 PM »
That is not the point.

The percentage of health insurance of most people's salaries have risen MUCH FASTER than the salaries.

The copayments have also gone up and up.

This extra money is not going to the workers...they are not making enough th keep up with their health care insurance, either.

I'd like to see the statistics that support this. Because I've worked for four companies in the last 2 years, and none have followed that.
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