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Re: Dream Act
« Reply #75 on: December 27, 2010, 12:38:38 AM »
Dear Denver Post editors:

Re: "Denying a future for immigrant kids" DP editorial 12/10/1

The Denver Post has blatantly supported illegal alien immigration into Colorado for over 20 years. Its editors and publisher callously and frivolously disregard the rule of law, the U.S. Constitution and any sense of responsibility toward Colorado citizens and legal immigrants. It has never investigated or brought to justice the hundreds of companies hiring and housing illegal aliens. It never addresses aliens' avoided taxes, fraud, ID theft, killing of Coloradans, drunk driver, driving illegally, and destruction of our schools, hospitals and overloaded prisons. We already pay billions for illegal aliens' kids K-12. We feed, house, educate and medicate them on our dime, not theirs.

Now, the Denver Post wants us to give illegal alien children in-state tuition with the Dream Act. It's poorly written, invites massive fraud, obliterates the rule of law, displaces American kids from college classrooms and drives up the costs for all of us. Udall, Jared Polis and Bennett suffer the worst report cards for immigration in the Senate and House: all F- rankings. They won't secure our borders, they won't enforce the rule of law, but they want us to pay for their folly.

As Colorado stands nostril-deep in dept, food banks empty, unemployment rampant and illegal gangs roaming all over Denver, it makes you wonder if the Denver Post stands up for lawlessness more than the law. The Post's editorial exhibits a lack of integrity, honesty and honor. The Dream Act will only exacerbate our debt, degrade our school standards and create more harm as more illegals gain amnesty and welfare. Thankfully, more sensible minds will vote the Nightmare Act down in the U.S. Senate.

Making illegal activity legal disregards the rule of law, U.S. citizens and our rights as a nation. It aids and abets more illegal migration. It curtails our children's chances for an education, and in the end, we cannot continue down this path if we expect to survive the 21st century. We cannot sustain the projected 100 million people added to this country in 25 years--virtually all of it via immigration.

Yes, I feel badly for those kids, but they can go back to their own country and make their own country better along with their parents. It gets down to personal responsibility and personable accountability.

Every snow flake in an avalanche pleads innocense, but the result is the same!

"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" - Ronald Reagan - June 12, 1987

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Re: Dream Act
« Reply #76 on: December 27, 2010, 12:40:28 AM »
BT tell me how the (Bad) Dream Act prevents 10-20 million more illegal invaders from coming?


(i) Exemption From Numerical Limitations- Nothing in this section or in any other law may be construed to apply a numerical limitation on the number of aliens who may be eligible for adjustment of status under this section.


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Re: Dream Act
« Reply #77 on: December 27, 2010, 12:42:37 AM »
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Thats what this whole thing is BT....it's a sham.

yeah so is the idea that you can secure the borders.


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Re: Dream Act
« Reply #78 on: December 27, 2010, 12:44:02 AM »
They aren't required to attend a state run institution of higher learning or a community college.
They can attend a for profit school.

And how do you propose this mostly dirt poor group pay for even more expensive college
educations from private schools that cost at least $35,000 or more yearly in tuition? Are
you going to add even more people....non-Americans to loan money so that the already
rising student loan default rate can even go higher?
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Re: Dream Act
« Reply #79 on: December 27, 2010, 12:47:35 AM »
yeah so is the idea that you can secure the borders.

How so?
If we set a deadline...say Jan 1st, 2012 or even Jan 2013 and said
any business caught hiring an illegal would be fined $5000 per illegal
employee it's solved. 2nd offense $10,000. Owning a business I can
assure you our HR Dept would be extremely careful to check, double
check, thriple check everyone's legal status. Without jobs BT they
leave and new ones dont come.
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Re: Dream Act
« Reply #80 on: December 27, 2010, 12:51:57 AM »
BT tell me how the (Bad) Dream Act prevents 10-20 million more illegal invaders from coming?


(i) Exemption From Numerical Limitations- Nothing in this section or in any other law may be construed to apply a numerical limitation on the number of aliens who may be eligible for adjustment of status under this section.



Yeah and?

How does that encourage illegal immigration?


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Re: Dream Act
« Reply #81 on: December 27, 2010, 12:53:00 AM »
yeah so is the idea that you can secure the borders.

How so?
If we set a deadline...say Jan 1st, 2012 or even Jan 2013 and said
any business caught hiring an illegal would be fined $5000 per illegal
employee it's solved. 2nd offense $10,000. Owning a business I can
assure you our HR Dept would be extremely careful to check, double
check, thriple check everyone's legal status. Without jobs BT they
leave and new ones dont come.

What is the current fine?
How many illegals do you currently have on staff?

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Re: Dream Act
« Reply #82 on: December 27, 2010, 01:08:01 AM »
They aren't required to attend a state run institution of higher learning or a community college.
They can attend a for profit school.

And how do you propose this mostly dirt poor group pay for even more expensive college
educations from private schools that cost at least $35,000 or more yearly in tuition? Are
you going to add even more people....non-Americans to loan money so that the already
rising student loan default rate can even go higher?

Private colleges don't have to cost 35k a year. There are all kinds of associates degree factories out there . And i don't see why the government has to back college loans , why are we in the business of subsidizing banks.

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Re: Dream Act
« Reply #83 on: December 27, 2010, 01:22:28 AM »
I don't like our immagration laws as they are.

I wouldn't mind an expanding of the guest worker idea untill it was a rational and well run program that covered a large part of our need for low skilled labor.

I wouldn't mind opening the door to leagal immagration a bit wider .

I wouldn't mind having an office in charge of recruiting and attracting foreign workers for important jobs.

I wouldn't mind haveing courts devoted to refugees appeals for asylum.

I wouldn't mind building a border fense tall and solid and deep in the ground , loaded with sensors that detect climbing, cutting and digging.

I wouldn't mind accepting application for immagration from people already here on the same basis as people that apply from their home , no advantage , no disadvantage.

I wouldn't mind co-operateing with most of the western hemisphere to trade files on felons.

What I do mind is the tug of war in Congress that simply piles a new law onto the pile of old laws with hardly any attempt to symplify the tangle of innefective and irrational laws. George Bush failed to keep his promise to revamp immagration law, too bad , I liked the direction he was going , tighter borders and more open door together to acheive less illeagal and more leagal immagration at the same time.

  Clamping the lid on tighter by itself will only raise the pressure that is already bursting , liberalising the laws alone wouldn't improve the situation either , more leagals without any decrease in illeagals isn't solving the problem .

   In sum , the law should be as simple and as firm as it can be made , we should start over.


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Re: Dream Act
« Reply #84 on: December 27, 2010, 01:53:30 AM »
actrually the past 3 years students are shying away from the 35k schools due to the economy. People are finally questioning are they worth the cost. I hear many in my family don`t even bother applying ,not because of money but the requirements are so high that it`s worth going there.

Thiers a reason you often hear students say the classes in these school are no where near as challeging as the application process

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Re: Dream Act
« Reply #85 on: December 27, 2010, 06:23:45 AM »
BT tell me how the (Bad) Dream Act prevents 10-20 million more illegal invaders from coming?


(i) Exemption From Numerical Limitations- Nothing in this section or in any other law may be construed to apply a numerical limitation on the number of aliens who may be eligible for adjustment of status under this section.



Yeah and?

How does that encourage illegal immigration?




This seems to be a clause that prevents any limit on the number of people smuggled in as children and presented later as applicants.

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« Reply #86 on: December 27, 2010, 06:33:29 AM »
"yeah so is the idea that you can secure the borders."

And it is with that understanding that you half to approach the problem. So, educate the children that are here? Of course, why the hell wouldn't you?

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Re: Dream Act
« Reply #87 on: December 27, 2010, 09:15:12 AM »
And it is with that understanding that you half to approach the problem.
So, educate the children that are here? Of course, why the hell wouldn't you? bsb

So if you own a rental property and someone walks in an unlocked door
and starts living in your rental property it is wise to start paying for their
medical care and their children's education? F-THAT!
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Re: Dream Act
« Reply #88 on: December 27, 2010, 09:47:30 AM »
Private colleges don't have to cost 35k a year.

No they dont have to...but the average private university costs roughly $35,000 a year.
Some are much higher.
It's a pipedream to think very many in the big picture will be at private universities.

There are all kinds of associates degree factories out there .

Sure and really what good is that gonna do?

Oh an illegal maybe if he/she actually finishes & gets a sham 2 yr degree
in "fashion design" or "basketweaving" from an associates degree factory.
What a joke!
And then they cant get a job.....it's a sham...and most likely we'll end up paying for the sham!
Many real non-traditional degree schools like say DeVry average over a $1000 a month.
Whose gonna pay for all this "attending college"?
Can you say "Taxpayer"? Building more schools, backing student loans, hiring more staff, ect....
Most gvt run community colleges run in the black..they dont make money..so if you flood the community colleges
with non-Americans how can it not cost even more red ink? And who will pay for all the new red ink?

And i don't see why the government has to back college loans ,
why are we in the business of subsidizing banks.


Probably because banks did not want to loan to young, not much
credit history, loan risk people. (would you?)...so some mighty liberal
rode in to rescue with a "great plan" for spending other people's money (taxpayers)
and the plan called for the gvt (taxpayers) to back student loans.

It all goes back to we have a whacked out socialist-minded nanny government
whose goal is to create new dependents and create job security for
control freak leftists that think they knows whats best for everybody.
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Re: Dream Act
« Reply #89 on: December 27, 2010, 11:27:18 AM »
Probably because banks did not want to loan to young, not much
credit history, loan risk people. (would you?)...

?????????????

when I was in college the banks had a table in every student union across the country giving out card applications.

is that gone today?